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 Amiga: Back for the future?

Ok, first of all a little background about Amiga. Amiga Inc. does not play a major role in the technological developement of the new Amiga platforms. Amiga Inc. holds the rights for the brand name Amiga. People who are not familiar with Amiga might think of Amiga as if it were a company, which it was not in the past. When you refer to Amiga, you do so in the same way as if you would refer to Macintosh, as a product. Commodore Amiga and Apple Macintosh - that is technically comparable. Commodore was the company that made the Amiga big, as Apple is the company behind the Macintosh. When Commodore had to give up in 1994, Amiga - as a platform - lost the "guidance" just as Macintosh would likely have, if there wouldn't always have been Apple to maintain it, and instead it would just be promoted by a bunch of companies which all bought a bit of its technological potential, and the trusty fans of the system. Today, there is not a single Amiga cooperation or united user base that would represent Amiga, just many comparably little groups and companies.

There are two new groups now that try to push their products onto the market. One consists of Hyperion (Amiga OS 4.0) and Eyetech Group Ltd (AmigaOne). The other is Genesi who sell both MorphOS and the Pegasos. Both groups have their own motherboards and use the PPC architecture. Amiga OS 4.0 and MorphOS depend on their specific boards: the AmigaOne and the Pegasos II. The two new computers are sold together with the OS and also mostly include Debian Linux. MorphOS is compatible with Amiga Software and although the GUI looks much fresher then the good old AmiOS (Yes, they seem to have learned a big deal about design from Apple ;)), you can still clearly see that the two are close related. I should also mention that while AmigaOS 4.0 is still quite incomplete, MorphOS is already usable and several projects on Sourceforge started to port their programms to the new platform. Genesi seems to be more open with their dev-tools in general.

After all I think that there is no "real" Amiga computer anymore, but indeed there are two projects that look promising.

So anyway, yesterday I traveled to Essen in order to visit the "Amiga OS 4.0 Event" and I managed to be there right on time, when they opened the gates to the Triple Z center where the whole event took place. Ever since I heard that the new Pegasos and AmigaOne computers would run on G4 processors I was interested, especially since I didn't hear anything from Amiga for a long time and then all of a sudden there's big news like that. In fact they had been working on their new systems for quite a while now, but unlike bigger companies they could not instantly spread the news, so it took a while before a friend of mine finally informed me about this.

And yet we have two systems now and with that two rivaling companies that also seem to split the Amiga fans into two new fractions. One that prefers MorphOS running on the Pegasos and one that eagerly waits for Amiga OS 4.0 to be released on the AmigaOne. I was able to play around with an early version of Amiga OS 4.0 running on a case modded AmigaOne. Unfortunately there wasn't much to do on the system, since there was no real software installed on the test machines. What I could do was play Quake I (which took ages to load, assumingly because of the missing/incomplete 68k emulation support) and I watched some people play Freespace; both ran smoothly once they were loaded. There were also some other small games and Frodo (the C-64 emulator) as well as a bunch of system tools to configure everything. The GUI itself looked ok - it had a transparent dock filled with useful little applications called "Dockies" that looked a little like Konfabulator Widgets for the dock. Adding them to the dock was simply done by Drag&Drop.

A little later I had a chat with Davy Wenzler from the Netherlands, the developer of Audio Evolution who ported his program to Amiga OS 4.0 already. The program itself looked a bit like Cubase. He told me that he worked on the program in his free time. It ran stable and for a program he's programming in his spare time it really looked impressive.

From another guy, I got the information that MacOS 10.3 could be started on a Pegasos, by using PegXMac which sports a LiveCD and a configured version of MacOnLinux. So in practice you can use Linux, MorphOS and MacOS with a Pegasos II, that's quite cool. In theory the same can be done on the AmigaOne.

Alan Redhouse from Eyetech held a little speech also and talked about his company's future plans for the Amiga One. He said that they would have good chances in the chinese market, which I found a little difficult to believe since the chinese market is dominated by PCs already (as far as I know). All the fans, businessmen and developers that filled the room looked somehow unimpressed by his speech and began to ask questions like "Why should I buy a AmigaOne and not a Pegasos?", since the Pegasos is much cheaper; You can get a complete Pegasos II G3 system for about 700 € (excluding a monitor), while only the board and the G4 processor of the AmigaOne will cost you around 800 €. The answer esentially was that higher quality has a higher price. In fact they used Apple as an example: people pay more for better quality. However both systems are based on the same processor, even if the AmigaOne has it's own board. The answer didn't fully satisfy everyone in the room.

Another thing I noticed was that Amiga OS 4.0 was fully commercial - they didn't have much open-source software on it, although especially for a small company like that, open-source would help a lot to get a quick start. And for the time being they didn't even have a standard Web browser for their system, at least on the one I tested. I think Mozilla would be more than glad to help them out if they only had the chance.

I was curious: What do the die hard Amiga fans really think about all this? So I grabbed one of them, went into the cafe and started a chat with him. He explained that Hyperion (Amiga OS 4.0) and Genesi (MorphOS) have sued each other and fought about the rights of various components of AmigaOS for quite some time now. MorphOS partly lost and so you now have to buy a AmigaOS CD to install certain drivers in order to remain compatible with the Amiga. Hyperion told us that "Amiga OS 4.0 Pre-Release" would be released on the 21st of May and Wolfgang (The Amiga person I dragged to the cafe) agreed with me that if they would release it the way they presented it today, they would crash with it and probably wouldn't get up again either.

My opinion is that Hyperion is too sure that the brand name Amiga will save them, no matter what they do. That can be a fatal mistake, because the Amiga users are expecting them to deliver quality products, just like Commodore did (a long time) before. They will not be happy with a pre-beta version of a OS that will cost them a bunch of money and is basicly far from being usable. The Amiga fans themselves are a cool bunch all together, they're friendly, they hate Microsoft to death and they seem to like Apple. I would be glad to see them back in action with good hardware and a new OS. They at least are ready for the future, as always.


May 21 2004, 8:03 AM EDT, by




Comments:
nhmacusr 5/21/04, 12:51 PM EDT
Nice summary. Didn't know that much about Amigas. Thanks for the good article and the info.

rlhamon 5/21/04, 11:22 PM EDT
I didn't even know Amiga was still in business ... I guess their one claim to fame is Terminator 2.
I did like my Commodore Amiga with geoworks.. ok I really didn't like geosworks but man I did like printshop. Oh those was the days when it took a good 5 min to print out a full page and the cool look of a dot matrix printed graphics (I still like the look of images make of blocks).
I wonder if Amiga could make a come back in cell phone os or even in a television os.

cAtraXx 5/22/04, 3:01 AM EDT
They do not have the resources to join in the cell phone market or the tv market. I guess for the beginning computers are just fine for them.

Stickman67 5/22/04, 6:08 AM EDT
I remember, about the days of OS 8.6, a dude coming into our publishing house -- all Macs and lovin' it -- and trying to convince us that we should switch over to Amigas, and that the DTP software (don't even know what it was called) was better than PageMaker and Quark XPress put together.

I don't know if he was right or wrong. I suspect the latter.

I've never seen a bureau, at least one I've ever dealt with, that would take books produced in Amiga. Was there ever such a bureau? Was the DTP software capable of producing a high-end book or magazine project?

Stop laughing! I'm serious!

Starfrog 5/22/04, 6:22 AM EDT
Geosworks on amiga ? I seem to recall it was the C64 that Geos was on ? maybe I'm wrong but Printshop on the Amiga was great as I remember. I know have an uber collection of Amigas starting from the A1000 up to the A4000 and the CDTV-CD32 such good machines but Commodore blew it. Another memory I have with Commodore is that I sold shares that I had in CBM (commodore) on the very last day you could sell them before they went bust!! more by luck than actually design! :)

cAtraXx 5/22/04, 7:17 AM EDT
The CDTV was a dream. Wireless mouse&keyboard ... i don't think there was any system that had that. And the CD32 was one hell of a console. I mean hey ... CDROM support for a console ? In the time of the Supernintendo ?

Unfortunately Commodores marketing was crap, and here we are. We can be lucky that Apple survived, otherwise the world've been entirely consumed by M$ :/

Brandfuchs 5/22/04, 12:22 PM EDT
Hello, I am the Amiga-heretic who invited cAtraXx (this Mac-zealot, I assume you'll know him) to the Amiga OS 4.0 Event in Essen, Northrhine-Westfalia. :)

rlhamon:
It really depends on what you call "in business". Amiga, as cAtraXx correctly stated, is "just" the product; Commodore was the guiding force that created it as what we know. And Commodore is past, unfortunately.

Stickman67
A company I could recall from the top of my head that used Commodore Amigas for printing preparations, editing - all in all DTP, etc pp. would be the FASA Corporation, USA. IIRC they did not use exclusively C= Amigas, though.

Yes, I would say that a Commodore Amiga's ("Amiga68k" like the A 1200, as opposed to "AmigaPPC" like the AmigaOne) DTP software was capable of producing a high-end book or magazine project. A DTP program that was native on the C= Amiga would have been PageStream, for example.

Commodore Amiga had the best reputation in Video and Sound editing, though. So even though Commodore Amiga was capable and useful in DTP, I would not challenge Apple Macintosh on their very own ground (as in telling such a bureau that uses Macs to convert to Amigas).

Starfrog & cAtraXx
One can blame the failures of their marketing in the end, between 1992 and 1994, but one should never forget they were what made Amiga what it is. And that they did a damn good job on the technological aspects.

And if you'd really want to blame a company's whole résumé for one, even though fatal, period of mismanagement, I'd just say "Clone Wars" (also, nobody likes George Lucas).

Oh, and cAtraXx, you Mac users always think of the fancy stuff first, and the useful last. ;)
It was the CDTV for a reason. It held a startling 1x CD-drive! :D

-Brandfuchs

Brandfuchs 5/22/04, 3:14 PM EDT
(And yes, I know that CDTV meant Commodore Dynamic Total Vision, but you can let me my little satisfaction, after all, I am a computer-undead. ;))

jbelkin 5/23/04, 4:52 PM EDT
A great wrapup and a great glimpse into the never-say-die fixation some people have - whether it's 78 records, unicycles or Amiga's - there are those that refuse to face reality it's time to move on.

Even if the Chinese market decides to reject MS Windows as too REdmond control - Linux is next in line. The Amiga is somewhere below a broken abacus as an OS.

And based on the GUI shot, that looks like a 1992 kalidescope theme dropped on top of a some windows 2000 backdrop. Frankly, it's a little sad - it looks 10 years too late already and 10 years in computer age is more like 37 years.

Amiga was really the true Apple III. A computer for tinkerers and hobbyist - great for opening, rewiting and reworking exactly the way you wanted. Just like ham radio had its heyday. THat time is past. Sure, there are still ham radio fanatics but compared to IM or email - who's winning that battle?

Amiga's problem is as you mentioned - it's not even open sourced and with Linux around - the arms-deep-in-it tinkerers have their OS. Linux is more powerful and cross platform. Or for those in the "mainstream," you have the very low end and the very high end build it yourself PC's ... that leaves very little to Amiga.

No amount of marketing would have saved Amiga ... and no amount of marketing will bring Amiga back to any degree. If their intention is to sell 10,000 machines - that might be doable - beyond that - more people will have telegraph morse code machines before they buy an Amiga OS.

cAtraXx 5/23/04, 5:11 PM EDT
jbelkin:

Actually, both MorphOS and AmigaOS are quite up-to-date from the technological site. It's not like they were asleep all the time. They did move on.

And what gui shot do you mean ? I think MorphOS looks quite cool, if you consider the fact that it is still quite new.

The open-source factor is a problem, of course. But then again, they're a really small company trying to sell a comercial OS, if they'd release all the source they could directly close the shop cause nobody would bother to buy it anymore.

jez 5/23/04, 6:11 PM EDT
Anyone know of a good Amiga emulator?

Thats about as far as most people will go when it comes to owning one.

And just to put things straight historically... Yes the Amiga did get some Video credibility with "Toaster" but to imply it was any good at pro sound editing compared to an Atari ST or Mac is just nonesense. DTP on an Amiga?

It had spectacular games though.

cAtraXx 5/24/04, 5:12 AM EDT
Jez: For PC: Amiga Forever.

Reginald 5/24/04, 5:01 PM EDT

http://emulation.net/amiga/

Don't know how good it is, but emulation.net has information on any of the emulators that run on a Macintosh, and there are a lot of them out there.

http://emulation.net/

Jonahan 5/25/04, 1:56 PM EDT
I'm late to the party, but this is good stuff. Makes me wish I had an Amiga back in the day. My buddy had a Commodore 64 (altho who didn't) and I of course had an Apple IIc. Another friend had a TRS-80 which was really weird because you had to save data to audio tapes ... took forever and was a pretty sloppy method of storage. The thing had awesome games tho :)

sweetjimmyhugs 5/26/04, 11:13 AM EDT
TRS-80 rules! Except for the tape thing... and the fact that you had to use a Tandy joy stick... and no internet porn.

I think I'll try to find my old TRS-80. I think it's still at my mother's house.

Mark Fuller 5/26/04, 3:54 PM EDT
I was an Amiga user before converting to the iMac in 1998. I used it for about eight years. They were a wonderful machine and sometime I still wish I had it. The bright side is that Mac picked up where the Amiga left off and is now my pride and joy.

Long live Amiga, and those with dreams.

Drastic Actions for a World without M$ 5/27/04, 1:21 PM EDT
OSs of the World, get united!
And then kick Gates' and Monkeyboy's Butts!

cAtraXx 5/30/04, 5:10 PM EDT
Sounds good to me :)

Mac Lover 6/23/04, 5:20 AM EDT
Hello , nice treath but .....

1984 : Mac birth of the gui ( it was 1ste wasn't it )

19?? : Atari TT with TOS ( a complete Mac clone system , even came with multiTos like Multi Finder )

19?? : Amiga ( don't know anything about it's OS , was it a Mac System clone too like Atari ? )

Both came after the fiorst Mac didn't they ?
Is there an Atari Gx & advanced TOS OS too ?
Where do i find the community for that ?
What was better ? Atari , Amiga or Mac System ( not Mac OS since it wasn't there those days & is an advanced version of System 6 )

Last but most important , will these 2 Amiga machines run OS X as main OS without an emulator ? ( are these Mac clones ?? ) if MOL run's on it it make them Mac's don't it ?

i hope someone can asnwer these questions for me .
Many thx



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