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 Ok, so maybe I'm a bit biased and want everything to work right from the get-go. Being a Mac User since the Apple ][e (well technically that's not a Mac but if you want to get technical the first "Mac" I had was an SE/30) I expect stuff to just kinda work you know...
So today my company who shall remain nameless needed to buy a PC (gasp, hiss, boo) for UPS/USPS for shipping. So we went to Wally-World (Wal-Mart) and picked us up a nice 2.5GHz P4 with 512MB and an 80GB hard drive and other crappy stats like that.
Now for $850 this wasn't a bad deal - it even came with a 17" HP monitor. I really didn't want to be seen in the store with it so I ran to the checkout lane with the only cart in there that doesn't turn. Bought this monstrosity and came back to the office. I unpacked it's 3 boxes, monitor and cpu. Put it together and started it up. Sat there, sat there some more, and sat there some more..
*ZZZzzzZZZZ*
Oh sorry about that .. So after about 20 mintues of this crap starting up I hear a nice high pitched ZZEerERERZZZRR coming from the lower DVD drive. I just started laughing, the thing was broke already. After I got up off the floor it was still trying to start up. OOoooo I can put my registration info in now. Yippe, I must be close to seeing a desktop soon right?
Wrong.
I then had to wait about 10 more minutes for the thing to restart and boot up again. Then finally I got to the desktop about 45 minutes after starting it up.
Now I'm not saying a Macintosh is invulnerable to these out-of-the-box mishaps. I've come across a few myself, but why can't it just NOT USE THE DVD DRIVE?!?!? Is it that important to have one? I've maybe watched 1 DVD on mine.
Anyway back to the story at hand. So I go to add/remove programs and start killing stupid games and extra crapola that just slows these HP's down to a screeching halt after about a month, and then did some Windows updates.. 13 critical updates, 45 XP updates, and 1 driver update. Holy Crap! That's a'lotta updates. Installed those and some had to be installed one at a time. They haven't fixed that yet.
Stupid retarded M$!!
So I get that done and now it's about 1hr 15mins of setup. 1hr and 15minutes to do all this? Why?
I've never met a Mac I couldn't setup in about 5-10 minutes. Good thing I didn't need to do anything for an hour...
Disclaimer: Don't flame me about buying a PC, I HAD too. I wanted to get a new Dual G5 and put VPC on it but the boss wouldn't let me and we needed it now so we got it. Also this might be a bit biased, but it's the first time I've actually set a WinTel box up from start so imagine a non-computer literate person doing this *EEP*. And I hopefully will never ever, ever, ever ,ever ,ever need to do it again because this sucked. Also don't flame me for this being a biased article of course it is because I've been spoiled by easy/fast installations for years. |
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July 3 2003, 1:38 AM EDT, by
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| Jonathan |
7/3/03, 1:42 AM EDT |
Oh yea I also unplugged the DVD drive and the startup time about halved. I guess Windows really really really wanted a DVD drive.
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| stickman67 |
7/3/03, 3:39 AM EDT |
I'm seeking funding from the Foundation for Path Dependent Retards (and if you want to know what path dependence is, go to Google, or another search engine if you hate Google -- and don't give me no sh*t about using Google, 'cause I know it's politically incorrect to use it, but that sucker finds stuff like no other) ... Where in the farnarkle was I?
Oh yeah! I'm seeking funding to initiate a study in Comparative Computer Setup Literature. My hypothesis is that for every 1 page of instructions on how to install and set up any given thing (software or hardware) on the Macintosh, there are 4.93 pages of instructions for the same product being installed and set up on a PC.
I might be incorrect, but I'm not wrong! And even if I am, *you* have to prove it!
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| Jonahan |
7/3/03, 9:19 AM EDT |
Wow, we're on quite a roll as far PC slamming goes. I'm so happy! =-D
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| APLCD |
7/3/03, 11:44 AM EDT |
Stickman, if your study turns out to prove that in fact there is 4.93 pages of instructions for PC stuff to every 1 page of instructions for Mac stuff, the Windoze punits will just spin it into a victory by claiming that the PC has more documentation. Just one more "big number" to add to their spec sheet.
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| rlhamon |
7/3/03, 11:57 AM EDT |
GOOD LUCK with the WalMart Hp Special. In fact you'll need to shout down all of the Windows Xp Special like fade effect and set up to use windows classic view and not the themes that Windows XP like to use because these features will slow down system performance because you only have 256mb of Ram and in Windows world that just won't cut it. Also back up your data often like once a day HP hard drives (Maxtor) tend to fail often very often. Other than that your company have bought one big $850.00 piece of crapola!!
But look on the bright side atlease you didn't buy it for yourself =-)
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| Major Tom |
7/3/03, 12:15 PM EDT |
I'm confused about the need for a Win PC for UPS/USPS access. UPS' new site is web-based and USPS has announced forthcoming Mac compatability...
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| Mac Murphy |
7/3/03, 12:31 PM EDT |
And still the Windows bozos defend these towers of crap to the death, while bashing the Mac and OS X 24 hours a day.
I guess, in the end, they are getting what they deserve and considering how little creative ability the average one has, they are actually using the best hardware and OS for their lackluster existence.
Too harsh you say? When was the last time you met a PC bigot that had anything interesting to contribute to the world? Would you honestly want to have anything to do with such ignorant people? They are a bunch of boring, fat, 30-40 something slobs who spend every waking moment playing video games and eating pizza.
Man! What a picture! ;o)
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| Speedyrev |
7/3/03, 12:50 PM EDT |
2 probs,
1. It was a M$ PC.
2. It was one of the lowest of the bottom feeders... an HP from Wal-mart! YIKES!!!
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| MacFreak |
7/3/03, 1:20 PM EDT |
PC is VW Beetle
Mac is Porsche
;-D
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| Bento |
7/3/03, 1:27 PM EDT |
Hey Mac Murphy - sounds like you're describing Rush Limbaugh...oh, wait...he uses Macs. : )
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| TM Lutas |
7/3/03, 1:31 PM EDT |
Major Tom,
For higher levels of shipping they have a dedicated PC solution.
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| d-fiend |
7/3/03, 1:49 PM EDT |
Probably had to chew through the cardboard protective shipping insert in the dvd drive. I'd say hardware setup takes the same time. It's what happens after the "chong" sound that makes a difference. PC is a Piece of C...
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| grogiefrog |
7/3/03, 2:35 PM EDT |
I work in marketing in corporate America. Apart of some reorganization was to have a real art department. I picked out one dual G4 with a 20" flat screen, two iMacs, and one G4 12" PowerBook to start. Our IT department didn't like it, because "they can't support it". Right, they can't even support any page layout software! But, you'll be glad to know that we're ordering them with their approval, but without their support. And we're fine with that. I took on IT in corporate America and won.
We have to use one program that is not available for the Mac, so we're buying VPC.
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| Victor |
7/3/03, 3:10 PM EDT |
I've been working on PC deployments at big and small companies over the last year, and the futzing you have to go through to configure Win2K and WinXP is just nuts. Brand new Dells take 2 hours to set up/test with Office XP, a VPN client, antivirus stuff, etc. Add in specialized apps, and setup/config times are up to 4 hrs. Laptops are even worse -- a full day in some cases! No wonder IT support techs like me LOVE Windows on clients' PCs, it gives us lots of work to do, and money for buying Macs to use at home! LOL
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| iKen |
7/3/03, 3:11 PM EDT |
I know all about how bad pc's suck/how fast they break. I work in tech support. the line "I just got this, and it is broke already?" is spoken all to often.
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| King of Brandon |
7/3/03, 5:52 PM EDT |
I work in a large organization and after considerable argument was able to successfully get funding for 5 Macs for my department. This was despite the position of of support group who argued that they would not support them since we have a PC Windows only setup. Needless to say, the Macs are happy and have no trouble accessing the shared directories, doing e-mail, etc. The defining moment came when one of the support boys came to me to ask for help because he could not locate the floppy drive to install the antivirus software which is standard procedure on all of the corporate machines. This should also give you some idea of the vintage of the software. I was speachless, struck dumb, and amused at the same time. We all shared a good chuckle at his expense over beers after work that night.
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| Zack |
7/3/03, 7:27 PM EDT |
My only comment: I feel your pain.
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| Bob Weiner |
7/3/03, 10:23 PM EDT |
I was the ONLY Mac guy working in our office. The IT department didn't NEED to support my machine. With a Mac, it's possible for me to support my own computer without their interference. Imagine that! Compare that with the number of problem tickets that the IT dept had to deal with on the Wintel side. All I can say is, I now realize why IT depts are pro-Wintel. It makes 'em feel useful.
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| Wasabe |
7/3/03, 10:29 PM EDT |
Let's see john. YOu get a MS HP PC from walmart. You can't get a worse computer, of any shape size, or model, except a gateway pc, from walmart. althogh, you can't really argue that the gateways don't look somewhat nice. but thats because they copied apple or something like that.
well. thats my two cents. and i noticed were getting alot more commentary.
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| Daniel |
7/3/03, 11:40 PM EDT |
We use UPS's online site to do all our UPS shipping. We ship over 100 shipments a month using UPS online.
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| nobcheese |
7/4/03, 1:23 AM EDT |
I enjoyed your article. I'm no fan of Microdoze (or Pinheadtel). I use a Pee Sea at work (through no fault of my own), and I have a 7500 and 12 inch Powerbook for personal use. So I'm very familiar with the differences and advantages.
To get to my point: I get sick and tired of reading articles with bad grammar, spelling mistakes and poor choice of vocabulary.
If you are going to present your points of view worldwide, at the very least, make it look professional. I realise (English spelling) that this is more of a fun site, but all the same , cut out all the unnecessary errors - buy a dictionary or a thesaurus (American versions if you have to (that's to and not too!).
My apologies for the abrasive nature of this comment, but I really cannot abide incompetence. Incidentally, I'm writing this article under the affluence of incohol. So if you spot any grammatical mistakes or spelling errors (apart from the deliberate ones, please let me know.
Americans suck at English. Perhaps it's time to get your own freakin' language.
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| Zack |
7/4/03, 2:29 AM EDT |
nobcheese - we already have our own language - it's called 'American'
And, Jonahan correct me if I'm wrong, but the irreverant articles on 2guysamacandawebsite.com are intended to be irreverant - grammar errors, bad jokes, poking fun at PCs and all.
And what's incohol? Is that a new drug in England (American spelling)?
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| stickman67 |
7/4/03, 2:34 AM EDT |
Oh, nobcheese! Where do I begin?
First, language is a mode of communication, and therefore is best used to communicate. In academic journals, academic language is de rigeur. In literature, a literary flourish is more your fish of the day. This forum, however, is a jumble sale for brain-addled Mac fanatics who don't give a syphilitic tinker's testicle about the whys and wherefores of split infinitives, indefinite articles, or past participles. They pass their message along using whatever colourfully tainted verbiage happens to pass from their logorrhoeic fingertips. Who cares? The message gets through, and that's the first principle of language.
Second, I am an Australian. I grew up in a school system in which things British were adulated, and that included the language. We even cringed at our own broad, nasal accent (Australian English is sometimes called "Strine", because that's how Australians supposedly pronounce Australian). As such, we tended to look down on "American" English, almost by default. I have since learned -- now there's a concept for you, nobcheese -- that "American" English is no better or worse than any other form of the language, if it is looked at objectively. Unfortunately, objective appraisal of anything is by definition impossible, so we end up with the sorts of blithering rant to which you so generously subjected us.
As for "American" spellings ... Did you know that many so-called "American" spellings are really the end result of a process that was taking place on both sides of the Atlantic until 1755, when Dr Johnson published his dictionary and standardised certain words. For example, some were allocated "-or" endings, and others "-our". Until then, both countries were moving towards "-or", and the US simply continued the process to its end position. It's a process of history and geography, not inferiority.
And why, I hear you ask, have I kept typing "Americans"? Well, I guess I wonder what exactly you mean by the term ... Canadians? Citizens of the United States of America? Argentinians? Hondurans? All of these are Americans. Hmm! Very imprecise, nobcheese. If you're going to rip into people for not looking professional (which is no surprise, since I suspect most of the people who post here aren't professional writers), you might at least try to be professional about it.
Look to the log in your own eye, mote boy!
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| jovike |
7/4/03, 3:56 AM EDT |
O.K. Smegma, as requested a correction: 'realize' is more correct than 'realise' in English. The -ise ending has been adopted by the UK media so they don't have to remember exceptions like 'authorize' but amongst men of learning and culture this need not be a problem, nor should provincial/nationalist prejudices.
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| Hanky |
7/4/03, 4:09 AM EDT |
Why don't you guys go find some dorky liguistics forum where you can moan about grammar and spelling. This is a Mac website. If the level of journalism on this site doesn't gel with your superiority complex, then don't read it. Simple solution, don'cha think?
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| stickman67 |
7/4/03, 4:23 AM EDT |
Sorry, Hanky. Won't happen again, Hanky. Won't defend the good citizens of this forum from half-baked attacks again, Hanky. What you say goes, Hanky!
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| Zack |
7/4/03, 4:29 AM EDT |
I'm with stickman67 --> Hanky, UDAMAN!
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| Jonahan |
7/4/03, 1:48 PM EDT |
Holy dog-livers, look at all the comments! We may have to go to a threaded comment system soon if this keeps up!
To respond to the whole grammar/spelling thing (or lack of it), Zack has it right that this site is first and foremost about having fun and talkin' about Macs. We also don't like to get too negative unless it's something that can be backed up with facts, like all the Windows IT horror stories in this thread that prove Windows blows chinks. Er...I mean chunks. Chunks dammit! (See, typos and misspellings are fun!)
We do have an editorial process and check each article over, but we're not sticklers for every little thing. We don't need to ultra-professional, this is just something that we like to do in our spare time. And sometimes our not-so-spare time, like at work and such.
Anyhow, we're always picking up literary pointers from the Great and Knowledgeable Stickman (I swear I have to visit dictionary.com every time I read a comment of his - and I'm a fairly well-read guy) so things will get better.
Also I think there's some confusion about me and Jonathan. My name is John Monahan, and Jonathan (who wrote the above article) is my nephew. I go by "Jonahan" because I think it's clever for some reason. Maybe I should go by "John Monahan" or "Trogdor" or something, but I thought I should try to clear that up. :-D
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| Matt |
7/4/03, 2:07 PM EDT |
All you retarted mac users can suck my balls...Quit talking like you know whats going on...You guys always wine about pc's only because you don't know how to use them..all you know is how to plug a computer in...Your'e all a waste of space...And I can't wait till apple goes away...and I assure you they will , you lops
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| Jonahan |
7/4/03, 2:29 PM EDT |
Matt, you are most welcome to say whatever you want, but you just made yourself look like the most idiotic person on the Web.
If you could actually read and comprehend what you've read, you would know that the above comments were from people that HAVE used Windows and are comparing their experiences with Windows to their experiences with Macs.
Simply put, you are a dooshbag! I've used every version of Windows, I was the Network Admin of a Windows network, I ran that network better than any of my predecessors (all of whom liked Windows BTW). I've also built PC's from scratch, so I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that Windows machines aren't as good as Macs.
What I don't understand is, why do ignorant Windows users actually go to Mac sites, spend time reading them, and waste even more time commenting about how supposedly bad Macs are?
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| Matt |
7/4/03, 2:45 PM EDT |
I was sent a link ...And I enjoy watching mac users talk like they know whats going on ..I was running windows networks when I was 19 years old...whats soo hard about that...
See the silly thing is, why would you go out and buy a $500 pc, and try to compare it to a $2000+ computer mac or pc?...you only screwed yourself on that one
Macs are porsche
Pc's a Bettles
Ahahah..Hitler phased in the bettle..and I'm sure he'd love macs,It's the most Nazi computer I can think of..I use macs they aren't that bad, but the people who use them (I'd go out on a limb and say 90%) haven't the slightest clue as to whats goung on..where would macs be without the pc?
where did AGP come from?
Where Do those nice graphics cards you get come from?
where did DDR memory come from?
Where did hyper transport come from?
Where did those new G5 chips come from?
Where did sound blasters come from?
All I can think of that a Mac has cointributed is firewire...WOW!
soo call me ignorant if you want...but If I slapped a Dell In a Mac box ..and found a way to run mac os on it you'd all be oblivious to it....quit biting the hand that feeds you...
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| Jonahan |
7/4/03, 3:01 PM EDT |
We have our first troll! I'm so proud (* tear *).
I could take this a number of different ways, but I'll keep it simple. We are not "Mac users". We use Apple Computers because we know the alternatives, have tried them out, and know that the Mac gives us the best price/performace ratio. If you would actually try using a Mac - and I mean sitting down and using one for a few weeks with an OPEN mind, not having preconceptions, I think you just might like them, Sam I Am. ;)
And PC's wouldn't be where they are today without Apple. Apple was the first to use the original floppy drive, the 3 1/4" floppy, they developed the optical mouse and first digital camera, started out the PDA market with the Newton, developed FireWire, has made 802.11b popular, and where would Windows have been without copying Apple? So, if you like technology/computers, you should be thanking Apple every day!
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| Joe |
7/4/03, 3:12 PM EDT |
Check out this link to answer all your questions:
http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2003/06_jun/editorials/cw_edit orial79.htm
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| Matt |
7/4/03, 3:13 PM EDT |
I don't use any of that crap you just mentioned...Except the floppy...the worst computer invention of all time
My computer will work fine without any of the formentioned...can you say the same for your mac?
I have nothing to thank apple for...
It looks like your running out of ammo...
Why would I want to give macs a chance...I already have an OPEN mind...thats why I don't use macs..
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| MacSchlong |
7/4/03, 4:28 PM EDT |
All Windoze users have soft micropenis! Chicks dig Mac users with thick and rock hard iDicks!
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| Jonahan |
7/4/03, 4:37 PM EDT |
Thanks MacSchlong, I needed that! I was getting stuck in a nobody-wins argument :) I should have known better, but sometimes I fall into those.
Now I'm going to to outside and celebrate our independence by getting inebriated and lighting off fireworks. Let's hope I don't blow off any body parts, most especially my iDick.
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| MacSchlong |
7/4/03, 5:03 PM EDT |
Yeah, Jonahan, be careful with your iDick, don't forget you have to spread your iSeeds to give life to little new Mac users to increase our market share!
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| Matt |
7/4/03, 5:04 PM EDT |
That's what I thought....you all suck
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| Anna |
7/5/03, 5:27 PM EDT |
Nobcheese, I just wanted to remind you that the best of Europe left and imigrated to America. You Europeans are just jealous that we lead the world and that you guys are pathetic Socialists. Let me ask you, is it the alcohol that makes you hard to understand, or is it just the way that you talk?
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| Jonathan |
7/6/03, 2:14 PM EDT |
Well, as for the grammatical errors in my story I was running on empty for sitting in disgust watching that PC for over an hour and it was way past my bed time. I also wrote it in about 10 minutes so umm .. Bite me! :P. And yes go get me a $799 eMac out of the box and I bet everything works :P
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| Jonathan |
7/6/03, 3:07 PM EDT |
Matt,
Hahaha .. well first of all Mac's don't use hyperthreading they actually use REAL dual processors that work in SMP! *gasp* (but Jonathan you can get dual Xeon's with HT also!! But again they use SMP and HT so the point is still valid) Secondly, Sound Blaster stopped making a card for Mac's when OS X came out. And last but not least, AGP,DDR are standards based why on earth would Apple use propriatary RAM, Video Cards etc. ? DUH!
Oh and 1 more thing. The G5 came from IBM, but your AMD/Intel came from AMD/Intel so, I still don't see your point.
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| Matt |
7/6/03, 4:02 PM EDT |
Where did I say Hyperthreading...
I said hypertransport....
It's a Cpu to Memory optimisation made by AMD ..adopted by the G5
The Athlon was A partner ship between AMD and D.E.C..have you ever heard of them ...
Apple would'nt use agp or ddr if they were able to make something better..but they can't
"Oh and 1 more thing. The G5 came from IBM, but your AMD/Intel came from AMD/Intel so, I still don't see your point. "
HUH?
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| Victor |
7/6/03, 10:38 PM EDT |
Matt -- I have worked for IBM, DEC, Compaq, and Fujitsu. I recently got some Dell servers for a client, installing and configuring: Win2K Server, Active Directory, Adaptec 39160 Ultra320 SCSI cards, 10K RPM Fujitsu drives, Broadcom gigabit Ethernet NICs, VERITAS Backup Exec 9, Symantec AV 8.1 Corporate. I recently worked on a project at a big oil and gas company over a six month period, and that included configuring 1500 "PC's" -- some dual-Xeon Dell Precision 650's. I support everything from Win98 to WinXP Pro, and soon, Windows 2003 Server Enterprise Edition. My next door neighbours ask me for help when their PCs go on the fritz. My house guest today needed help getting her WinXP HP laptop on my wireless network. Done in 15 seconds. So what do I use at home, where I want stuff to JUST WORK without a lot of fuss? Macs. You want to keep paying your money to a twice-convicted predatory monopolist that treats you like a would-be criminal everytime you activate a new PC? LOL
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| Wasabe |
7/6/03, 11:18 PM EDT |
Dear Matt,
You suck. Go back to PC land and fix one of your crappy little computers that are always in need of constant attention.
Sincerely,
Me.
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| Victor |
7/7/03, 4:39 AM EDT |
Joe, I read the "editorial" you linked to. Below is the e-mail I sent to its writer, Charlie White; read it carefully, you might learn from it.
One of the co-founders of Mathematica goes on record as saying that the new dual-2GHz G5 is faster than ANY 64-bit UNIX workstation they have tested. The president of Pixar (a known Linux/x86 shop) goes on record as saying that the same dual-2 GHZ G5 is the fastest desktop system, period, based on their own Renderman benchmarks, which to date have been heavily optimized for x86 Linux. The president of Luxology goes on record as saying that they, a Windows-centric shop, has found the new dual-2 GHz G5 faster than any PC they have tested their software on.
Then you eagerly offer some numbers from AMD -- as if AMD's self-reported performance on synthetic as opposed to real-world benchmarks is to be taken as somehow more credible than Apple's. In the last 20 years I've worked for Shell, IBM, DEC, Compaq, and Fujitsu, and one of my recent big projects involved configuring and deploying 1500 PCs, including P4 Xeon Dell Precision 650 workstations and PowerEDGE servers in mission-critical business settings (e.g. oil and gas geoscientific/technical computing, engineering CAD), so I'm not exactly a Steve Jobs Kool-Aid drinker.
I don't give a rat's ass that some company called BOXX Technologies shipped a dual-Opteron workstation on June 4th. In the corporate markets in which I've spent much of my career, the hardware vendors that matter are IBM, Sun, SGI, HP, Compaq, Dell -- and Apple. AMD processors aren't even on the corporate radar screen, no matter what their on-paper specs may be. I realize that you've spent much of your professional career in TV, so the PC vendors of record may be a bit different, but I suspect not. Your bringing up "BOXX" is as much a semantic shell game as Apple's wordsmithing around "workstation" and Bill Gates' trial depositions. I know it, you know it, and your readers know it. You're the one who's insulting our intelligence, and you don't even have the journalistic decency to pluck out the log in your own eye.
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| Victor |
7/7/03, 4:56 AM EDT |
Anna -- I suggest you go review your US history. The US of today is vastly different from the one that was admiringly described by Alexis de Tocqueville over 100 years ago. In any case, it's not what the Founding Fathers envisioned. For starters, check out this historical essay: http://www.mises.org/fullstory.asp?control=1259
Also, use Google to find, say, infant mortality rates in the US compared with most countries in Europe, or Canada. Lose the attitude, and you might appear a bit more credible than the current occupant of the White House. Lead the world? Sure, like in arms exports to rogue nations, according to the Federation of American Scientists website... see http://www.fas.org/asmp/profiles/index.html
LOL
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| HTML Samurai |
7/7/03, 10:15 AM EDT |
Matt, I am not sure if you are still hanging around here or not, but it doesn't seem like you have a very open mind. Now I am a big believer in the phrase "to each his own," and that is why I choose Linux. I am a Mac user, and owner, I have been using M$ OSes since DOS 3.3, and doing Tech Support for PCs for about 7 years. Trust me, Mac hardware is A LOT more stable. And Windows does suck, do I need to mention the "Blue Screen of Death?"
This is not a personal attack on you, but they are facts. Try using Linux and BSD for a while, buy a Mac and give it a try, trust me there are other options out there, and for the most part, they are superior.
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| Jedbeck |
7/7/03, 11:08 AM EDT |
Well Said HTML Samari. (I was feeling left out) :)
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| Jonahan |
7/7/03, 11:32 AM EDT |
Victor, thanks for sharing your email with us. I find the whole 'G5 speed controversy' pretty amusing, as how can you really tell which one is faster when it runs a different OS (among other differences)? I'm sure every company tries to do some marketing spin to their products, in the computer industry or elsewhere.
Anyway, I'm sure many people have read this, but last week atAT reported on Intel using Macs to post their yearly results. The point was they weren't even G5's, so the current G4's must be faster than anything from Intel, otherwise, why would they use them!??? :)
I'm sure there's an explanation for why they use Macs (the accounting department is actually SMART?) but I found it funny.
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| Jonahan |
7/7/03, 11:44 AM EDT |
And people, come on, whether you're English, Australian or Belgian, or American, can't we all just get along? I personally think America is on the shallow end of the gene-pool (and being American, I feel I'm justified in saying that - have you watched Springer?) --- but it won't matter one iota when the master plan is complete and Macs are plentiful enough around the world to send the homing beacon to Steve's home planet, where the war claxon sounds and Destroyers are sent to conquer us all and use us as sex toys!!!
(Did I mention that all the females on Steve's home planet look like Rebecca Romein Stamos?)
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| HTML Samurai |
7/7/03, 1:41 PM EDT |
Rebecca Romein Stamos!? :-)
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| Matt |
7/7/03, 1:51 PM EDT |
Ok,
you guys convinced me...I'm selling my pc's and im going to buy a Mac..How could I have been soo wrong in thinking pc's were actually useable.
Shame on all of you that buy mac's with the Salaries you "CLAIM" to make fixing PC's..I use linux all the time..And linux on a pc dances circles around any version of whatever you want to call it for Macs..Who cares about windows...I'm a big advocate of using the best there is..And windows is a part of that... big deal...but you guys must be getting some crappy deals, because I never have problems with any of my pc's..I have a G4 at work and I use it everyday..and it crashes everyday...Every mac I have used has crashed frequently..
Who cares where you've been..and what you've done..thats not grounds for a debate...
I still believe...If you can run Mac os on a Pc you'd all convert..soo it just comes down to your pretty little bouncing logo os that you cant let go of..and it's got you by the balls...
Wake up....
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| Jedbeck |
7/7/03, 2:30 PM EDT |
Linux dancing around the Mac operating system. No Offense to all the linux guys but in terms the time it takes to get things set up, Mac and Windows both blow linux out of the water. I have heard Html Samari's stories of compiling code and recompiling code for hours and hours. So making the claim linux dances around anything is just ludicris. (and not the rapper) However, both linux and Mac OS X give the user almost complete control over the OS. When was the last time you saw someone with a windows laptop easily running a web server locally to test web code when they had no direct connection to the Internet. I personally have never seen that.
As for the comment " Who cares where you've been..and what you've done..thats not grounds for a debate..." What are you talking about that is no grounds for debate. A users experience is the the only way they relate to the world around them. If someone who has worked tech support or ran a network said "Hey this is the way I see these things work every day in the real world environment but that has no bearing in my opinion," I would think that person was dilusional. How can you form an opinion and defend that opinion when past experience is not allowed to be an influence?
As for the last comment you made "...If you can run Mac os on a Pc you'd all convert.." You still just do not get it do you? It is not merely the hardware or the software that keeps a mac user using Apple's products, it is largely the experience that keeps us coming back for more. We like the fact that everything generally works with little to no setup time involved. I am way too busy on a day to day basis to have to deal with things that are not working due to a driver that has conflicts or the wonderful error code "There has been an error." I like the fact that I click a button and i have an apache web server, ftp server, file sharing up. It is this experience for me personally that keeps me coming back to Apple's products.
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| Matt |
7/7/03, 2:43 PM EDT |
Where you come from and what you've done earns no kudos from me...
NO-One is speaking from expierence when they throw big name companys out into the mix..If that were the case,if the company I work at is bigger than the company you work at ..does that make me right?
There's no sutch thing as linux setup...you can run it on a floppy if you like...Or run it off a cd every time you use it..you can make linux as easy or as hard as you want it to be...
You can keep your "Mac Experience"
It will always be what Apple decides what you can and can't do..
Think Different...
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| Jonahan |
7/7/03, 2:43 PM EDT |
I thought I'd let it lie, but after re-rading some of Matt's comments I thought I'd point out the mistakes he's made:
"I said hypertransport....
It's a Cpu to Memory optimisation made by AMD ..adopted by the G5"
Hypertransport is a consortium of over 30 companies, one of which is Apple. Why should we blame Apple for using something they contributed to? Besides, Apple didn't make the G5, IBM did.
"Apple would'nt use agp or ddr if they were able to make something better..but they can't"
Apple DOES use AGP video cards and DDR memory in many of their products. But then, your spelling and grammar are so weak that I can't understand half of what you're saying, so you may have meant something else.
When I stated that Apple made many things popular (FireWire, Optical Mice, Digital Cameras, PDA's), Matt said:
"I don't use any of that crap you just mentioned...Except the floppy...the worst computer invention of all time
My computer will work fine without any of the formentioned...can you say the same for your mac?"
Apple doesn't include floppies anymore as it's a very outdated medium. PC companies are finally now learning that and beginning to remove them from their product lines. If you look at industry trends, every company follows what Apple does, only a few years later. And if you don't use an optical mouse or digital camera, I feel for you. You're stuck in the 20th century.
Oh and, yes, my Mac will work just peachy without any of those, but why would I want it to? ;)
So Matt, we don't care what you use, but you haven't offered one fact that has withstood any amount of scrutiny that defended Windows. We don't like to talk like this (at least I don't) but you've provoked it with your thoughtless comments. Yes, the original article may have kicked things off by slamming Windows a bit, but was in telling a story of things that actually happened. So if you have ACTUAL facts to back up your ignorant viewpoint, then great! We'd LOVE to know why we're blind and why we need to wake up!!
(BTW Matt, we have nothing against Linux or PC's running Linux. Many of us run one form or another even on "PC" hardware. The title of the article was "Windows PC's Suck!", so I don't know where you get this stuff about Linux. If you had distinguished that in the beginning maybe we could have saved everyone some grief --- maybe we could have even been friends!!! LOL)
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| Jedbeck |
7/7/03, 3:04 PM EDT |
Matt clearly you must be drunk or on some strong Medication that is making you hallucinate.
It is nice to know that the real world and a persons experience mean nothing to you. You must be very sad in the fact that you have nothing to base you life on, since past experiences and memories do not exist for you. What a chaotic life you must lead never knowing what to expect from yourself.
Your right in an article talking about Windows vs Mac OS X we should not throw big company names in there. Hence for this article shall be know as "Something sure does suck." You are so right no one has any experience with these big company names. I have used windows, linux, and Mac Os's and I guess I have never had a single experience with them. I guess I might ask then WTF are you making a big deal about, if we are not going to compare what company "A" does against what company "B" does.
I will agree with you on one point that Linux can be as hard or as easy as you want it to be.
You keep going in circles, do you like windows, linux, or commadore 64 more. I never told you that my way was better or your way was better, so I think I will keep my Mac Experience because that is what works for me.
I hope you find some sense of being and be happy at least once in your appearing sad and pathetic life.
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| Matt |
7/7/03, 3:06 PM EDT |
WOW!...you did your homework ...If you'd read a little more about HyperTransport you'd find that AMD brought it to Cpu's..
That's real rich beating on my grammar...why would I care about checking my spelling...Am I looking for a grade , or am I competing in a spelling bee...You have a few sentance fragments in your last statment...Who cares..I may stoop pretty low, but I won't bash the way you type..
Someone told me I should use linux.
So I told them I do...
With your last statement you've solidified.my agruement more than anything..Why don't you tell ME why Macs ar a better experience, you're the one with something to prove with your Windows sucks website...So here I am ...A windows user. Show me the way ...
And also ...I'd let you be my friend...I wouldn't let my spelling or a little Mac vs. Windows Squabble get in the way of that...
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| Jonahan |
7/7/03, 3:20 PM EDT |
Wow, I feel like the main guy from "Fight Club"!
Thank you Matt for throwing some humor our way :)
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| HTML Samurai |
7/7/03, 3:30 PM EDT |
Matt, I do have another question for you... have you read any other articles on this site? It is not a Windows bashing site, just a few articles. This is mostly a site where Mac users gather to exchange news and, God forbid, a little humor about Macs and the rest of the computer industry. I am not the world's biggest Mac advocate - by a long-shot! But I DO NOT use Windows any more than I have to, mostly due to past experiences. I prefer Linux as an OS, I am running 3 Linux Boxes on a Network at home as we speak, there are also 2 Windows laptops, a Mac laptop, and an Open BSD box on the network. I have to speak from my past experiences, I can't speak from yours can I? I have written articles for this site speaking of those experiences with Linux and Windows to offer a different perseptive, and I plan to write about OpenBSD very soon.
Please don't be a "play-a hate-a!"
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| Wasabe |
7/7/03, 6:49 PM EDT |
We are gonna hafta take this article into over drive I'm thinking.
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| Victor |
7/8/03, 3:31 AM EDT |
Matt: Here are some folks who use MacOS X, likely because they're more open-minded than you claim to be:
Tim Berners-Lee (invented the Web -- using NeXTStep, a predecessor to MacOS X)
James Gosling (invented Java)
Tim Bray (co-invented XML)
Moshe Bar (Linux kernel contributor and lead architect behind OpenMosix clustering)
James Duncan Davidson (Apache contributor)
Jordan Hubbard (FreeBSD contributor)
Hmm... quite a few open-source heavy hitters in there...
Let's read your bon mot again: "Where you come from and what you've done earns no kudos from me" LOL
Matt, you can spew about hypertransport or whatever else turns your crank, but it doesn't change the reality of the business world. Too many IT managers are scared to think outside the box. Sure, x86 and zSeries Linux is being evaluated for new IT infrastructure projects but it's not (yet) on the Fortune 500 corporate desktop. Even when Merrill Lynch IT made a good case for moving to Linux servers to save $$ over MS Exchange, the suits voted to keep MS. And that's an investment bank! Go figure.
Yes, Linux has great things going for it, but UI consistency on the desktop is not there yet. KDE vs Gnome? Doesn't help ordinary users just trying to get work done. Stability is nice, but I also like to look at a pretty face -- and that means typefaces antialiased with subpixel rendering in a native PDF environment. Also, Rebecca Romijn-Stamos ;-)
In any case Matt, whatever you're really like in person, you come across here as a blowhard just like me, but you offer no account of what you do for your clients. I hope you'll prove me wrong, but I meet many IT geeks who think they're such hot [doodoo], when in fact they're just full of it.
This morning I had to re-Ghost NT4 SP5 on a Fiery EX2000 RIP driving a Xerox DocuColor 2045. It bluescreened right after installing the Fiery console, from factory CDs. Oh joy...then this afternoon I had to push the VERITAS 9 remote backup agent onto a headless Win2K Dell PowerEDGE without forcing logoffs from engineers who had AutoCAD files open...can't be done, not if you want the backup to work.
So what about you, Matt? What business/IT problems did YOU solve for your clients today? Enlighten us, O Infinite Fount of Wisdom!
LOL
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| Jonathan |
7/8/03, 4:56 PM EDT |
Sniff.. I'm so proud. I started my first Mac vs. Windows debate on a website. Now for what it's worth, I could care less if you use Windows or a Mac (I'd recommend using a Mac), but to each his own is what I was always told. I've used all 3 (Mac, Win, Linux) and I'd rather use a Mac it's my personal preference.
'Nuff said
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| Spanky |
7/10/03, 2:47 PM EDT |
Hey Matt, maybe we suck BUT you swallow that's why you're bug infested
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| Chrispy |
7/11/03, 5:18 AM EDT |
*High fives Jonathan*
Congrats man! Here's to starting many more lambasting matches here and across the web!
Anyway, I won't jump too deeply into this arguement. All I want to say is that I've used Windows 95, 98, and XP religiously; that is up until I switched a year and half ago. I saw OSX in action and it opened my eyes a bit.
The thought of a stable, simple, and beautiful OS that allows the user to operate it however they choose was just such a revolutionary thought that I had to try it out. I fell in love because I gave OSX a chance. Matt, I suggest you find another source to cite besides your failing G4 at work because you're missing out man.
(Crash free for about about 50 days)
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| lneegrow |
7/11/03, 10:17 AM EDT |
Wow. This debate is the coolest thing I've run into on the subject of Mac Vs. PC! I am a cargo aircraft mechanic in the USAF, and have been on the fence with regards of purchasing a Mac for about a year now. I currently own an Athlon 1.4 winxp (which I installed recently), and I must say that I DROOL over the "useless eye candy" the mac has to offer. I have researched and researched and was about to put together my own pc with a cool case and all... and then I saw a g4 tower with 20in display. Something in my head went boink! And now I'm obsessed; mags, search after search, the apple store- which one do I pick??.. Then I talk to a REAL winhead, read pc world, compare, compare, compare. I check my wallet. OOOoo. Dell has a good deal going; I order a 3.06 laptop. But I still dig, making sure I made the right choice (perhaps it's the aircraft mechanic in me- troubleshoot, troubleshoot, people's lives are on the line, troubleshoot). And finally, I see Mac OS X in action. I see what I can DO with this thing. I see how when you minimize something it "slides" into the dock. I see the software product, ease of use. I mean, I'm having FUN, AT THE STORE!!! WOW. I didn't say it, but my mouth spelled it out. I went home and cancelled my Dell. Damn the cost, I'm getting one! I am now waiting for Panther. And to figure out what to buy! Winheads cannot see the big picture. It's impossible for them. I don't want a "racecar computer" that requires a degree to maintain and run. I want a "cruiser computer" that looks cool, acts cool and won't leave me stranded. I want to have fun with it, not to work with it so I can have fun. I want a better computing experience, right now. Apple is providing it, right now, and with STYLE. I am convinced. I AM SWITCHING. Thank you all for the humorous debate.
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| Matt |
7/11/03, 3:22 PM EDT |
I'm glad everyone is having a good time...
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| Not Matt |
7/11/03, 3:31 PM EDT |
http://www.osxsucks.com/
;)
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| Joe |
7/11/03, 6:06 PM EDT |
My link to DigitalVideoEditing.com was not meant to be a slam in the face of Mac users at all, though it seems to have been read that way. The intent of my link was to show that we will never truly know, until we have hardware in hand, which computer is truly faster. I have been both a user of the Mac and Windows for many years. As a matter of fact my first computer was an original Mac which has both Job's and Woz's signature's inside the case. I will agree that on the windows side of things problems have persisted over the past few years, but things have gotten better. I agree that when using NT I got a few blue screens of death. Actually, I got a lot of blue screens of death. But since Win2k and WinXP I definitely will go out on a limb and say that I have never gotten a single Blue Screen, ever. Stability is absolutely stunning given the vast amounts of different hardware in the x86 realm. My last Mac that I owned was a 500MHz G4 which I no longer have. The reason I no longer have it is because I needed more power as my interests in computing are render intensive. Regardless of the Megahertz myth, which I do believe was true at one point; PC's price/performance ratio was far better than what Apple could provide. To me After Effects on the Mac is the same as After Effects under windows, OS aside. If a windows PC is going to do the job for me quicker then I will use it.
Now, that being said, if the G5 comes out and schools all PC's on AE then I will switch (actually I'll keep one of my PC's for gaming). But, comparing Apple's inflated G5 spec scores to AMD's inflated spec scores it seems to me to be a wise decision to use the Athlon64. But, come September we'll know for sure.
Also, I do have to agree with Matt about the hyper transport thing. I wish Apple would give AMD a little credit on inventing the damned thing. After all, AMD is truly the underdog of the computer market and deserves any Kudos that it is owed.
Finally, I admit that my usage of OSX is extremely limited to computer shops, (due to the fact that I sold my Mac before it came out) but in what I have noticed it seems that it takes a long time to load apps and the dock is annoying as heck. But, once again, this is with my limited usage. I tend to think that the OS feels slow because of slow hardware. Who knows, the G5 might change that.
Also, I agree with Matt on another point, Mac users and Apple alike do not "truly" sell to people why using a Mac is better. Especially if the said person has never had problems with windows (believe it or not there are quite a few of us). Instead of falling into the insult game, you would do yourself and the Mac cause much more service by pointing out the truly good things about the Mac.
Also, writing an article on comparing Mac's to a $500 PC you bought at Wal-Mart is absolutely insulting. You can't expect any good things from a Wal-Mart bought PC. Though Dell does copy a lot of Apple's patterns, they truly do offer a great computer. Especially for the money. I would be more apt to take this article seriously if you talked about your experiences with a good PC.
Finally, I realize that this article is commentary with a lot of tongue and cheek antics thrown in for good measure, but don't be offended when PC users end up taking arms against an article called "Windows PC's Suck." You know you all flock to articles that denounce Apple as irrelevant. I see it everyday.
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| Joe |
7/11/03, 6:17 PM EDT |
Yes I do realize that I used Finally twice in the same response so there is no need to point it out.
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| Jonathan |
7/12/03, 7:23 AM EDT |
"I would be more apt to take this article seriously if you talked about your experiences with a good PC."
Is there such a thing??
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| Jonathan |
7/12/03, 7:31 AM EDT |
Also, this was NOT an article comparing Mac vs. PC. This was just my experience with one POS computer.
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| Matt |
7/12/03, 1:50 PM EDT |
My PC is great ...A Dell precision workstation dual 2.4 Xeon..I've never had any problems ...It's never crashed
It's also a year old...It used to be a dual 1.5...but I upgraded it to 2.4 for $400..Iv'e had programs lock up, but the os remains stable and allows me to kill the process...I use Maya on this computer...And it flies...And it never lets me down...My Maya/PC "EXPIERENCE" on a pc is soo good compared to maya on a Mac that it's impossible to compare ,speed ,stability etc..
I use maya on the mac at work and it's almost un-useable..
Maybe that will change with the G5
I'll send the jury out on the G5 as well , giving it a fighting chance..but I really don't think it will be able to hang...
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| Joe |
7/12/03, 3:18 PM EDT |
Looking around this site I notice that you don't really have any comparison articles. It's mostly just long winded rants about things.
So I'll tell you what. A good friend of mine is a huge Mac fan (although he has recently switched to a PC because DV quality is so much better than Final Cut) and he can't stop talking about the G5. He will definitely be grabbing one as soon as it hit's store shelves. When he gets the G5, I'm going to bench it against my 2.53 P4 and my AthlonXP 3000+ using apps like Photoshop, After Effects, Premiere and Media Cleaner. I'd be more than happy to post my results. Being that I don't feel that I'm computer biased in the least, I'd be happy to share my results with this site. Heck, if I can get my hands on an Athlon64 around the same time, I'll include those scores. I do believe that the G5 will be faster than the P4 and the AthlonXP, but the Athlon 64 might be a different story. It could be an extremely interesting comparison.
Let me know if this sounds like a good idea to you.
Also, this is a column, whether you believe it or not, comparing the ease of setup on a POS PC to a Mac. Come on, you called the article Windows PC's (plural) Suck for the love of God. And yes great PC's do exist. Try anything from Dell, Alienware, IBM, Boxx, etc. Heck, you can even buy cheap PC's that are great with extremely high end features. My Dell was $700 and it came with a free 15 inch flat panel monitor, free CD-RW, 512 of DDR, 2.53 P4, Geforce4MX video card with dualhead, etc. For the price, it undercuts the iMac and is faster and more stable. I understand that people like the feel of the OSX than Windows but that is just a preference thing. To top it all off I've never gotten a single Blue Screen of Death. I have had apps crash but the OS never does. This same friend of mine who has a G4 laptop always talks about the stupid Gray Screen of Death. To top it all off I can upgrade the hell out of it when I feel it's getting long in the tooth. I never had to uninstall apps because Dell's ship with the bare minimum of software installed.
In other words, before you buy something you should research the options. At the least you could have gone to an actual computer store and purchased a computer. But when you step into the computer section with money in hand at Wal-Mart you should have your head examined. If you aren't going to do it right, don't do it at all.
Oh yeah, the Dell took me about a total of 5 minutes to install.
In closing, at this point in the world of computers it's more about which OS do you feel comfortable using and what will get the job done. Both the Mac and PC are great choices. Hell, they're the only choices people have. But depending on your line of work or interests both will do you fine.
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| Some Guy |
7/13/03, 4:59 PM EDT |
There is a lot of insults flying around here directed toward PC users and Windows in general. Just do yourself a favor, don't insult a mac user, their mac, or their os. They get very defensive and start acting as if you insulted his/her mother... I work with a few mac guys, and that IS true. I have never met a mac guy that was not like that. I would really love to see a REAL comparison done if this type of ranting continues. Put the same OS on a top of the line PC and a top of the line Mac, like Debian or OpenBSD. Anyone up for it?
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| MacBuddy |
7/13/03, 5:39 PM EDT |
Some Guy,
Try hanging with a Mac guy - not mentioning that you use a PC. See for yourself the constant 'defending' he must do against the other 89% regarding 'his' choice. PC folks are supposed to be about choice , no?
No matter how it's said or who says it MacGuy is besieged with the mantra, "Macs Suck'. From pundits, IT guys, CFOs, Webtrolls, you get the picture.
Any minority group would get defensive - if not weary - having to perpetually defend themselves (and their choices) from a loud vocal majority whom refuse to understand our need is different than theirs and at the very least might just leave us with our 'toy computer'. Which incidentally has fewer games than 'real Windows computers'.
What a dichotomy, huh?
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| lab teacher |
7/14/03, 10:05 AM EDT |
I can't provide any research data or technical comparisons, but here are some real-life experiences:
My school district uses both Macs and PCs. My lab is an iMac lab, the computers are five years old and only one out of 32 have ever needed to be sent out for repair. The IT guys in my district don't know much about fixing Macs. I only need their help for network issues. I troubleshoot the iMacs and have never had to shut down the lab for technical problems. I have taught k - 6th grade kids in that lab with no special management software to lock them out of the hard drive. Note: There are two elementary schools in the district and both are totally Mac with similar experiences.
We also have a new high school (2 years old) that is mostly PC (with one Mac graphic arts/ web design lab). The district's IT guys spend most of their time working on the PCs in the HS (they rarely need to visit my school so they have plenty of time for the PCs). The Mac lab teacher does her own troubleshooting. I know that HS kids are more "capable" but...
Oh... and at the middle school they have both PCs and Macs. The Macs and PCs seem to get equal time from the techs at that building but you need to know that the PCs are all 2 or 3 years old and the Macs are about 6 or 7 years old.
I've used both Apples and PCs for a long time (since IIe's and TRS80's). After using a Performa 575 for about 5 years, I bought an IBM running 98. I liked it for about a year. It was crashing and and freezing every time I used it. I learned a lot about troubleshooting and maintaining a PC and managed to use it for two more years. My teenage sons, who use PCs at school, begged me to get an Apple. When we bought our G4 and they wouldn't use the PC even if someone else was on the Mac. They gave up some of their favorite games which are PC only. I finally broke down and bought another Mac (12" power book) a few months ago so there wouldn't be so many fights over who gets to use the Mac. I guess the PC will be retired.
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| Matt |
7/14/03, 1:56 PM EDT |
What kind of PC's do you have at your school?
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| Jonahan |
7/15/03, 8:07 PM EDT |
Joe and Some Guy -- Thanks for your opinions! Yes we would welcome any type of unbiased stats reflecting hardware speed or any other types of comparisons between platforms.
Some Guy: We NEVER insulted any Windows user! Yes, we get down and dirty about Windows itself, but we almost ALWAYS back up our opinion with real-world facts or observations. We (well, me personally at first) did get mean with Matt, but it was provoked, as he made it personal. I shouldn't have responded like that, and I apologize, but MacBuddy is right - sometimes after years of abuse at the hands of prejudiced Windows user, a Mac guy can can be provoked by the smallest thing (kind of like a dog that's been whipped too much).
And Joe, yes this is a column, but we don't have any advertisers and revel in that fact - as we can be as free and open-minded as we like. We're not professional by any means, at least as far as writing goes!
As far as which platform is better, well that's something we won't settle here. But I think one big thing that many non-Mac folks don't realize is that the Mac is more than just a computer. We've discussed this point before, if you'd care to read about it.
Thanks!
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| johnny66ch |
7/16/03, 5:47 AM EDT |
Everytime I read about the latest virus scare or a new serious security flaw in the Windoze world, I'm relieved to know that it doesn't concern me, being a proud owner of a 17" iMac. This is one advantage that wasn't mentionned in this discussion so far. I'm a Switcher, having previously owned a Dell and also built a PC myself. Retrospectively I have the subjective feeling, that I spent more time with maintenance than usage. It probably wasn't that bad, but it is the aftertaste of my user experience. Something I never want to experience again. Caveat: of course there are security flaws in OS 10.2.x, but Apple quickly makes fixes available. None of these are usually business threatening ones anyway.
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| What The |
7/16/03, 6:34 AM EDT |
This dude Matt confuses me...he seems to spend a lot of time on a webpage dedicated to Apple Computers and their products for someone who is so negative towards the Macintosh platform. Possibly Matt is a closet Mac lover or just very insecure. What do you think?
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| lab teacher |
7/16/03, 8:17 AM EDT |
The PCs in the schools are a mix of Dells and Gateways.. both labtops and desktops.
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| Matt |
7/16/03, 1:12 PM EDT |
I just might be a closet user...
Like I said ...It's not macs that bug me...It's the users...
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| Some Guy |
7/17/03, 8:25 AM EDT |
WORD!!!
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| stickman67 |
7/24/03, 10:32 PM EDT |
Dang! Look what I missed out on while I was taking a break!
Once more from the top, fellas! Fellas?
[SFX: Tap dripping, door creaking, wind whistling outside ...]
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| Anna |
7/28/03, 10:02 PM EDT |
Victor, thanks for the history lesson. Wow! America is not like what it was intended? Yes, we can't call this a Constitutional Republic can we?!
We just need another couple of thieves in the White House like the Clintons. Read this book, and then we can talk about Bill and Hillary Clinton verses George W. Bush.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895264064/qid=1059 442101/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/103-4886954-7023843?v=glance&s=books
You brought it up!
You dare to compare infant mortality rates in the US compared to Europe and Canada? You are kidding me right? Socialized medicine, boy Americans sure do miss out on the good stuff! Did you know that in Canada women have to wait a year to get a mammogram? Why is it that doctors and seriously ill patients are fleeing countries with socialized medicine? Plus Europe is currently in reverse population growth. This may sound good to those Environmentalists out there, but who is going to be left to work and pay the taxes for all those that do not work? I guess they just won't retire...
You know, America has feed the world and saved a lot of lives. We get no thanks. Instead we are hated. We are told that we should apologize for our wealth, our freedom, and our military. Well, this good looking American blue eyed blonde will not. (Sorry guys, I realize that this is a Mac web site) :-)
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| Matt |
7/31/03, 1:24 PM EDT |
Just Like Intel And Windows...And the U.S....
Everyone loves to hate the big guy....
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| bambi |
8/5/03, 3:48 PM EDT |
I'm a SWITCHER!! And I LOVE my new iMAC!!!
I couldn't understand anything on my Windoze PC... (yes, just a humble housewife operating a business from home... no tech experience here... just a user...)
But I couldn't even use my PC for my business. It crashed, it froze, it got viruses... it had DLL problems, it needed re-formatting... clean-sweeping, re-installing of everything.. SO MANY times I lost count!!
My husband said he'd never allow another stupid, money-wasting computer in our house again. But then I got searching, looking... reading, doing research... :)) And we all know where that leads!!
Well, I'm happy to say that my business USES this computer, I can USE this computer, it's fun, it's simple, and yes, it has frozen on me ONCE in the past YEAR (but only because I didn't know what I was doing... started playing around in files, treating it like a "windoze" machine... and so it sneezed at me... ;)
I'm not a programmer, just a humble user... who can USE her computer. But my son, who's a real computer "geek" has now downloaded free BSD onto his PC... and is learning unix... (but he doesn't want to admit that to too many of his friends yet...)
I really do LOVE my computer. And my HUSBAND even likes it!!! I've caught him in the office on it, looking up business stuff... and he even had a smile on his face....
Count me in on the Mac Way....
but there's no need to call names or be insulting... just speak the facts :) And let the experience speak for itself.
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| IOR |
8/6/03, 9:40 PM EDT |
WHY I as a windowsuser HATE WINDOWS, compaq, hp, dell, microsoft etc. etc.
windows.......buying branded windows machines....they work better than homebuilt, got all their components checked and tested .....yeah right.....i hate windows yet i use it...why? cuz they....and i mean M$ux0rz have world dominance...so im forced to use the crap every single freaking day....I used to be a windows user, i didn't know any better back then and all my friends were on wintel, so was i. last year i started up my own business doing graphics....on windows of course....what a pain....PAIN!!!!! doing serious work on a system no more stable than sociopat running out of medicine...my system hung at least 8 times a day....i kept telling myself it was because it was homebuilt or something...to keep costs down...so i get another one...still windows but at least it kind of works...kind of....had to remove the bios chip 3 TIMES before we got it up running....all this time....i'm on a time critical assignment....pulling my hair, cursing to myself...after a couple of days we get most of the stuff fixed...im so happy...after a while i need (4 or 5 weeks) i need to re-ghost cuz of some stupid thing seemingly unfixable with the display adapter...running 2 screens seamless on windows PC's never work as it's supposed to...now the floppy doesn't work....onyl used it one time for install...need it though to re-ghost...I get a new floppy drive...this one is broke as well...GREAT so now what do i do? have to open one of my old PC's and grab that floppy ...well anywayz...i get to the ghosty thingie...starting to ghost....97 % done...the box hangs....i try again....same thing....the fact that i even need a program like norton ghost suxx so bigtime that you cant imagine....after a while i give up...pull out a HD from somewhere and starts to re-install....and u know how long THAT takes on a windows box...not to mention if u get some bios settings wrong the setup hangs...doesnt really matter cuz install still works..just one of those annoying windows crap quality thingies...time is money....more of this CRAP and im out of business....i'm a creative pro....not a technician...nor do i want to become one either....so i get my first Mac... whoooopie....a powerbook 1ghz 1 gb mem running maya....works without a hitch....NEVER reboot...only when i need due to some installers and updates....it NEVER hangs on me....or at least almost never...it's easy to work with....it keeps me want to come back for more everyday...now it's really hard for me to tell when i'm off duty and on....it's the same...always a pleasure...keeps me smiling all day long and the whole 1 mile to the office...then...a situation comes up where we need to run som windows specific applications highend cad stuff...so i take a look a a mobile solution cuz im on the move a lot...and find 2 viable choices...the dell M50 and a compaq evo n800W mobile workstations...for cad and stuff like that...so i get the compaq CRAPtop solution....and starts up the stuff that this thing is supposed to be specialized for...first of all...the screen sucked...the advertisment said for creative professionals....dcc and cad use....etc. etc. anyway...start up the app...a 2 cm white board on the right side of the screen appears covering the working panes of the app. strange i thought...this is a specialized mobile workstation....it's supposed to work with this software...it even says so in a review i read before buying it...so i check if the diplay settings...its supposed to be a fireGL 9000 mobility...based on the radeon chip but with some extra features....iit identifies as a radeon 9000 mobility...oh great i think so i call tech support...and they tell me that the problems on with the laptop is due to improper drivers n stuff...and is well known by HP/compaq...still they decide to ship a product that is not up for the job...anyway...tech support mails me a list of 8 or 9 components i have to download and install...first of all...all of the downloads were together close to 50 Mb in size...and im on vacation/visiting a client also in a country nearby having access to only standard modem speed 56k...suxx i know....anyway i finally get all of the updates and drivers downloaded and start reading the installation instructions...i first need to unpack bla bla bla component into this and that folder and then make a floppy in order to update the bios......FLOPPY???? how can i update anything by floppy when none is provided?????????? u know...i can continue all day and all night...besides that...dual screen doesnt work either....and the output is vga where it should be DVI on SUCH a professional product...besides of that...i paid extra just so it WOULD had been tested with all these applications and for that great screen they where talking about....all in all about $3500 for that crap...it has no firewire, no airport card, no bluetooth, no dvd burner, sucky design, bad screen viewing angle, improper drivers installed, no floppy allthough tech support wants ME to update something that compaq has clearly missed...IM SO FxxxxxxxING pissed....it has cheap immitation of that backhatch of th TIbook but with no hinges only a solid piece of plastic ment to break ......it IS heavy...states 2.5 kilos in the article...funny thing is...that must be without tha cd and battery....it has crappy battery time, the trackpad suxx, the buttons bellow and above the trackpad suxx...have to press like a madman to drag n drop things...o i forgot...windows users hate that...the prefer running dos ....yeah....moving stuff and getting things done must be really intuitive....hmmm..what else...it has some really good speakers....yeah...i can use it as a lowend boombox running around the block with the ugliest boombox around...and the most expensive i would imagine....it has no easyaccess to memory upgrades....it has an easybreakable side mounted cd sled....hmmm.. did i forget anything...it comes with a 3 years parts warranty...on the other side though...WTF do i need that for?? when its outdated in less than a year!!!!! so now u ask my why i hate windows, microsoft, compaq, HP, dell as well...had experiences with those as well...although they have pretty good tech support....no thanks!!! im sticking with my powerbook g4...as it NEVER fails to amaze me
so windows users...keep on babbling and ill just go back to work and make money while u keep on the babble.....(not making any)....
btw...my english isnt anywhere near perfect nor do i claim it to be...nor do i come from......either of the above mentioned countries....so dont bring that grammar crap this way.....OK!
cheers and happy macin!!! / IOR
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| Matt |
8/9/03, 9:08 PM EDT |
I don't even want to read all of that
I can't believe you wasted youre time typing it....
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| Jeff |
8/15/03, 4:39 AM EDT |
Well, someone has to take the PC side and I guess it will be me.
Pc's arent bad as long as you get a good one. Like mine, never had a problem with it. My internet is a different story though. I'd put my PC up against anything. But don't get me wrong, I do like mac's, I think they are great. But if you get the right PC it runs great. And plus PC has a lot better upgrade possibilities.
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| PantherPPC |
9/3/03, 2:58 PM EDT |
Matt summed up what he's about a long while ago...
"Why would I want to give macs a chance...I already have an OPEN mind...thats why I don't use macs.."
So you have an open mind, yet refuse to try something different?
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| sweetjimmyhugs |
10/19/03, 3:14 PM EDT |
Having used PCs and Macs, I have to say that I love the Mac. I used to have all kinds of problems with my old Wintel laptop (circa 1998). Viruses and the old Blue Screen of Death(TM) have always plauged me. The whole experience turned me off to computers for a long time. What got me interested in computers again was the illfated G4 Cube. I took one look at it and started to drool. I still didn't buy a computer for a while though, but now I knew there was something else out there besides windoze. When the new snow white iBooks first came out I got one and was very impressed. Back then OS X kinda sucked so I was using 9.1 (still a very nice OS). I switched over to X when Apple released 10.1. I almost creamed my shorts when I saw how pretty it was. A little slow sometimes, but it still beat the pants off of windows for what I used it for (Internet, Email, and Porn). Then my laptop was stolen by one of my shipmates who claimed that Macs sucked. Maybe they were just waging jihad against Apple and the Mac, who knows. Now I have the "Good" G5 system and it screams! I would have gotten the "Best", but couldn't really afford it on my meager military pay. Anyway, I don't really have a point, I just wanted to get in on the action a month and a half after the cease fire. Oh, and Matt, you are a tool.
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| Matt |
11/25/03, 6:14 PM EDT |
yeah...im a tool...I must be hitting home ..If thats all you can come up with....
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| okcalla |
12/17/03, 11:58 PM EDT |
Dear matt
I am yet a student in high school and i have used pc's close to all my life. I just recently switched to a mac ( ibook g4) i'll never go back. my pc is a 3.06 ghz processor 1 gig of ram (rambus) and an intel board. the os is xp pro. my ibook runs circles around the pc. i havnt frankly touched my pc except to transfer some files since i got my ibook. the pc's we use at school range anywhere from older ibm to new dells and they all suck. half way through a report or spread sheet they crash without fail. we've even managed to get the bsod which is supposed to be impossible on xp. i have also plugged my ibook into the schools network i can even download pages faster and im on the same net work! i have around 8 or 9 patches for my i book as opposed to upwards of 70 for my pc. i think it's a little more than sad when a company has to release patches for patches that were supposed to patched 7 patches ago. this is an operating system not a quilt. o and matt you are a tool. so go back to sucking gates [edited]male anatomy[/edited] because your open mind is closed you refuse to try new things because of one bad experience ive experienced atleast 10 dozen pc's on various oses and all experiences are failures. pa what did you do to your mac to cause it to crash? spill water on it? FRICKEN TOOL!
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5/6/04, 6:47 PM EDT |
thats [edited]naughty word[/edited] ed up. macs always crash and break and screw up! macs are so stupid!force quit is retarded and you have to apple-q everyting because they hide quit uner a menu! u guys r morons
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| Jonahan |
5/6/04, 7:28 PM EDT |
LOL...my lord, I love this thread, it's hilarious, and it keeps on going!
IOR, good post. Summed up well by:
"so windows users...keep on babbling and ill just go back to work and make money while u keep on the babble.....(not making any)...."
Macs = being more productive = making more money.
PC's = more maintenence, more downtime, more viruses, more headaches. Cheap up front cost, but that's it.
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| jonathan |
5/7/04, 2:23 AM EDT |
hahahaha, ok so ctrl-alt-delete is better how? and most apps these days quit when you hit the close button. And im sure all windows apps do that .. riiiight (sarcasm)
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| Elena |
5/12/04, 2:06 AM EDT |
hi . does anyone know if the powerbook g4 handles maya well?
i mean larger files like over 20 mb . i have a g4 imac its the 15 inch one, i think its probly the oldest model one. and when my maya files get large they slow down drastically . there is a huge delay when selecting objects or rotating, or basically w/ anything i try to do. i was wondering if thats due to the processor not being able to handle it , or if its things like not having enough graphics memory (32mb) or an old graphics card. i dont think its ram bc i have 768mb.
also i was wondering about defragmenting. does it need to be done? im using panther. and i hear it does most of it automatically. but what about larger files? i read it defragments files up to 2 mb on one site, and up to 20 on another. i hope someone can clear some things up for me. also does anyone know when a powerbook g5 is comming? i had to ask. also can anyone explain bus speed to me ? i see that even though the powerbooks have been updated and are supposedly faster and better just how much faster are they? their bus speed is still the same. ( 167 for the 17 inch model) i do like the 128mb video graphics memory option though.
all in all i need a laptop. and if anyone has experience in maya using a powerbook please share your experience. thanx.
and do any of you pc users know of a laptop that handles maya really well and doesnt need maintenance much since im not comfortable w/ windows, let me know too. despite their uglyness, i may consider getting one if i know its stable and doesnt get bogged down by larger maya files. thanx.
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