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Run For Your Lives! IE 7 to KILL FireFox AAAGGGGGHHHHHHH |
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 This made me laugh.
A lot.
KILL FIREFOX
To sum it up: "IE 6 is a piece of shit and thus FireFox kicked its ass. IE 7 will be the best broswer on the planet period and we will all fall down and worship its creator for being kind enough to bestow it upon us. FireFox thus, is doomed like the heathen pig-dog that it is. Oh, and IE 7 will have these new cool things called tabs."
That's it in a nutshell. The author of this piece, unfortunately, is basing her conclusions on several very faulty pieces of logic:
Logical Mis-steps
- Microsoft is capable of creating anything in its first release that actually works
- Once Microsoft gets IE 7 to work, it will magically be secure
- Microsoft will be able to successfully steal, er make, a good user interface
- FireFox will roll over and just accept defeat
- The current 10% of the market that uses FireFox will suddenly become idiots
Now, lets look at them one at a time shall we? First, when has MS ever released anything that just worked right off the bat? IE 7 will need at least two patches before it is even remotely workable. And I will be amazed if those patches manage to come out with in six months of IE 7's release.
Second, and this is a big one, SECURITY. The chick who wrote this stupid article basically thinks that somehow IE 7 will be secure. I guess she is basing this off Microsoft's glorious track record for security ... or maybe she is just smoking crack. Either way it's amusing. I mean, everything Microsoft has ever produced has grave security holes in it. Everything. Yet somehow IE 7 won't follow that trend? Come on folks, lets think about this for a moment. People started using FireFox because IE is such a huge security nightmare. As it turned out, that whole "lets weld the broswer onto the OS so that it is an intrinsic part that can never be removed" idea was a really sucky one. Now, if IE 7 was a standalone browser, they might have a chance of (credibly) claiming that it's more secure. But since that has about as much chance as happening as Bill admitting he owns an iPod...
Third, the user interface. I read an article somewhere recently in which the head guy at IE development was quoted as saying that IE 7 would use "very basic" tabs. Um, ok? I guess thats because tabs are such a new feature that he isn't sure people would want them? Or maybe its because Microsoft is pioneering tabbed browsing and isn't sure if they can make it work? Now, this is just me, but I personally think this whole tabbed browsing thing is going to be big.
But maybe its just a coincidence that Mozilla, FireFox, Camino, Opera, Safari, Konqueror, Amay, Neoplanet, Galeon, iCab, Crazy Browser, NetCaptor, OmniWeb, Mosaic, Phoenix, Klondike, Voyager, iRider, Crystal Port and Chimera all use tabs? You're right, its probably just a fluke. Because everybody knows that Microsoft would never steal another companies idea and then re-market it as their own.
What are we up to now, is it fourth? Fourth, right. Ah, this is my favorite. FireFox will see IE 7 and run for the hills, screaming and crying like the French when they fought, well, anyone. But I digress. What was I saying? Oh yes, the people who create FireFox will see IE 7 and just give up. They will pack their suitcases, clean out their desks and take the last train for the coast. Or they could just update FireFox to once again make it better than IE and gain more market share. Hmm, which will they do??????
Fifth, everyone who is currently using FireFox will say "holy smokes Batman, do you see that?" and rush out and go download it. All of those people who donated money and supported them will just switch camps because IE 7 has come out. Yeah, I see that happening.
So, based on this, I can say with some certainty that FireFox will still be alive and kicking when IE 7 finally makes its way into town. Let the fun begin.
Oh, and you don't think any bad people out there will create viruses, hacks, and exploits that might take advantage of IE 7 do you? Nah, what are the chances of that?
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May 19 2005, 11:00 AM EDT, by |
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| Blickblocks |
5/19/05, 12:36 PM EDT |
Why...does this user like IE???
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| Ains |
5/19/05, 5:10 PM EDT |
tee hee hee... I feel so powerful. And wise almost. For it's firefox who will take over the world.. muh ha ha.
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| slyrobber |
5/19/05, 5:15 PM EDT |
I agree with your analysis but I take offense to " screaming and crying like the French when they fought, well, anyone." Just a little reminder Jean D'Arc... BADLY WOOPED by a little girl hang your heads now, no offence to all the fine strong women out there. And if it wasn't for stomach Cancer Napoleon would have statues all over London. So PLEASE. Spare me!!!
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| chriscja |
5/20/05, 4:37 AM EDT |
They must of been on crack
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| nhmacusr |
5/20/05, 9:04 AM EDT |
Microsoft products will always be the same as far as security goes and here is why. Backwards compatablility. Microsoft continually leaves hacks and work arounds in their software (some are actually bugs!) in order for software that uses these 'features' continues to work. They bend over backwards for this to happen. As a result all sorts of unintended doors get opened. IE7 will be the same old crap. Microsoft will not break all of the websites on the web made with Frontpage just so that they can conform to web standards and increase security.
Here is what they will do to hinder Firefox's development. Once again, Microsoft will ignore open standards and incorporate crap so that you need IE7 to interact with their server software. There is a lot of talk out there that web applications are the next big thing. Microsoft is starting to wring it's hands together here. They see a grand opportunity to completely soil a good idea. It has already started to happen. For instance, my wife is taking classes online at a local college. When she takes an exam, she can't see any graphics (charts, etc) for the problems on the exam unless she is using IE6. Emulation in different browsers doesn't work. I would wager that IE7 is going to take this type of integration to a new level. There will be hooks even deeper into Microsofts server products. While most of the stuff might be able to be reverse engineered, it takes time and is ultimately a losing game as all Microsoft has to do is release a patch and set your work back another 3-4 months.
Food for thought.
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| Rick |
5/20/05, 9:22 AM EDT |
I agree that MS is trouble for the rest of us as far as html standards. for some reason, website designers seem to migrate toward MS compatiblility, rather than html standards. I had one guy even tell me "Safari is a great browser, but Microsoft is setting the standard" AAAAHHHHH!
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| xsavagex |
5/20/05, 10:00 AM EDT |
maybe firefox didn't have the following back in Feb. when she wrote to article, but firefox does have a browser update indicator up in right hand corner, newer version at least do. also i found an extention on mozilla's page that allows you to right click on a page and click open in IE if it is a IE only page which are becoming more and more rare. it then opens it right away instead of copy and paste into an IE window.
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| Zsa Zsa Galore |
5/20/05, 11:57 AM EDT |
I think the original article may have been a bit tongue-in-cheek.
Oh, and that's Jeanne d'Arc, slyrobber. Jean would've been her brother. ;-)
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| RB |
5/20/05, 12:17 PM EDT |
Hey - you forget Shiira! (It has tabs as well.)
Nice list of browsers, though.
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| Fthefrench |
5/20/05, 1:40 PM EDT |
Well history dictates that the french are a bunch of whining bitching pu$$ies who don't even like each other. They should be greatful that they're not speaking German. Spineless bastards.
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| Sketch |
5/20/05, 2:31 PM EDT |
wow... an anti-French flame that has nothing to do with anything... that takes great intellectual prowess...
now back to the topic at hand...
One of the many problems with the whole MS and internet standards issue is consulting groups like Gartner and clueless IT managers who listen to them. They go against the recommendations of their staff and implement MS webservers simply because Gartner told them to (Gartner later said to stay away from IIS because it was too insecure... oops! too late.)
You've also got too many people in IT who really have no right being in the field, and they go with MS servers because they're "easy to use and set up" (also easy to break into).
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| bgates |
5/20/05, 3:07 PM EDT |
[edited]firetruck[/edited] IE. [edited]naughty word[/edited] micro$uck. [edited]naughty word[/edited] them in thier dirty ass.
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| ershler |
5/20/05, 4:05 PM EDT |
OK, here's the statement that I love the most. "But it's a chore sometimes, what with most sites using that pesky nonstandard IE code." She seems to imply that nonstandard IE code should be acceptable. The biggest problem with browser and web page incompatiblity is the Microsoft specific "extensions" to HTML. She's obviously oblivious to the 3 E's. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Does anyone think this something MS would do? Is the sky blue?
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| whoa |
5/20/05, 5:53 PM EDT |
Dudes, can't you tell a farce when you see one? I like any opportunity to say F-U to M$, but that was too rantish. Relax.
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| sam |
5/21/05, 12:34 AM EDT |
Here's what I think will happen (NOT what I want to happen! no flames please!): IE7 will be "good enough" to stem the tide of people switching to Firefox, causing the market to stabilize at around 85% market share for IE. When Longhorn is released, of the people upgrading with a clean install, fewer will re-download Firefox than installed it the first time around, and Firefox market share will drop.
I mean, really, what does Firefox add that a standards-compliant IE can't provide to your average grandmother user? And until they find the security holes, it will have a clean record and people will just assume it's secure enough.
It won't be until 6-12 months after Longhorn, when some new problem to be solved comes along and Firefox beats IE8 to the punch by a year, that Firefox market share will start climbing again.
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| Yacko |
5/21/05, 5:38 AM EDT |
Screw the debate, have I really liked any browser? They all seem so sexy on first use, then as my frustration level rises over several weeks I rotate to the next one. This is an area badly in need of standardization and good design/programming. There is no need to suffer through bad rendering of site formatting, missing random features like buttons or list boxes and sudden browser quits or freezes because it encounters something beyond its ken.
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| DJ-LC |
5/21/05, 8:17 PM EDT |
I'll put it easy - all browsers suck. Safari, for me, beach balls on the simplest things and doest block some popups - Firefox is slow - IE is from M$ - OmniWeb costs cash - Netscape has too much [doodoo] build in - Mozilla is slow - etc - etc.
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| Rus |
5/22/05, 10:17 AM EDT |
The one difference between your reporting and cnet reporting is the foul language - all of your stories are written as if by a ghetto teen thug!
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| jstoup |
5/22/05, 2:18 PM EDT |
->Rus
What makes you think I am not a "ghetto teen thug"?
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| dab2 |
5/22/05, 3:27 PM EDT |
jstoup, I thought you and I settled this before. ;-)
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| jstoup |
5/22/05, 6:43 PM EDT |
->dab2
You see, people make the mistake of thinking that just because I dish it out I can't take it. I have no idea why they think this but it seems to be a common misconception.
To everyone reading, if you don't like me or my writings I have no problem with you telling me so. I am certainly open to criticism, constructive or otherwise. And if you feel the need to call me names or insult my writings please do so with an easy mind knowing that I will not respond with an unkind article.
To all my readers, thanks for giving my articles a look! Hope you enjoy them.
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| DJ-LC |
5/22/05, 10:24 PM EDT |
Really? Cool. Your writing is a big load of cow [edited]naughty word[/edited] ing bull[doodoo]. That said, I love your writing :-). I just felt the need to insult something...
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5/23/05, 6:03 AM EDT |
I think Safari is the best and the smartest. From Apple's POV at least, because some of Safari is open source and they still can market it. Because of the open source stuff, they can still rectify any problems early and still profit from it. And most obvious of all, Apple is more dilligent at releasing updates and patches than Microsoft. :D
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| FiZ |
5/23/05, 8:24 AM EDT |
When it comes to whether or not IE will be "good enough" for most users or not isn't a question that needs to be asked in all respects.
Yes. It is going to suck to have to make new style sheets for IE just so that the majority can still view in thier broken browser.
Yes. It is going to still be a gaping security hole on the sore merit that it's tied to the kernel directly.
Yes. M$ is stealing the good ideas of everyone else in the past and is only going to allow .png transparency and one or two other things instead of being standards compliant.
I can't stand all these things (except for .png tranparecy support) and I still use and love Firefox. But the heart of the matter is that IE 7 doesn't have to be even close to "Good enough" because of one thing. It's tied directly to the OS. It comes with your system, there's nothing to install and if you're exceptionally lazy, you'll believe that M$ is always updating it with you in mind. The bottom line is that IE wins the browser war because the average user is too lazy. If they're not keen on computers, they want to open up the box and go; not have to install other software.
The problem that we face is not a browser, but the entire OS itself. If you don't believe me, look up that M$ dispute with the EU over Windows Media Player monopolizing over RealPlayer (and others). It's the same argument.
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| matty |
5/24/05, 5:16 AM EDT |
Dear 'Fthefrench',
americans whine and definitely don't like each other, you only need to watch some reality TV to observe this. However, you point appears valid,
check this out:
http:/ /www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/victories.html :P
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| matty |
5/24/05, 5:19 AM EDT |
that should obviously read "americans ALSO whine and..." My american aint that good.
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| DJ-LC |
5/24/05, 6:08 AM EDT |
One reason why I don't support America. Most Americans are idiots who listen to pop culture and watch Entertainment Tonight (and genuinely care about Brad Pitt or whoever).
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| Hamster |
5/25/05, 9:16 AM EDT |
"One reason why I don't support America. Most Americans are idiots who listen to pop culture and watch Entertainment Tonight (and genuinely care about Brad Pitt or whoever). "
Isn't our American slop what you Europeans (among others across the world) fall all over yourselves to see once we release it internationally? You know, the same slop that has Bradd Pitt and Lindsay Lohan in it. Is it worse to spend your time watching your own countries slop or watch time and money watching anothers?
I agree Pitt and his sexual conquests are silly but at least he is America's silly. What's Europe's excuse?
Doesn't Hasselhoff give you guys all the entertainment you need?
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| Jonahan |
5/25/05, 9:55 AM EDT |
DJLC is actually American ;-) But yeah, people all over the world eat that slop.
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| Neville Bacon |
5/25/05, 3:55 PM EDT |
Oui, I sink zat ze Fwrench desewrve zum cwredeet 'ere. Sil vous plait say nussing about ze Fwrench. Ze Napoleon 'e was vewry smawrt and would keek ze ess of ze Londo'.
Another thing that you're forgetting here is that anarchy roolz over microsoft. Miscosoft can't stop us. Let's put it this way, ie 5 was a whore. ie 6 is a crack whore. And the next one will be much worse.
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| Neville Bacon |
5/25/05, 4:06 PM EDT |
Yeah! Isn't it cool! Keep up the ghetto slang and foul language. I love this $#!t!!!
-Rus Wrote:
Rus 5/22/05, 10:17 AM EDT
The one difference between your reporting and cnet reporting is the foul language - all of your stories are written as if by a ghetto teen thug!
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| DJLC |
5/26/05, 5:47 PM EDT |
Thanks for taking that call, Jonahan - but I'm still taking that minute's pay. Mayhaps I will pay you back with a fishstick and cheese!
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| Edasia |
5/27/05, 3:59 PM EDT |
Never in my life have I wonder how credible cnet as a company is until today.
Molly's brain managed to come out with an article (read garbage) like that and she's a holding a senior editor's title????????
I think I ought to join cnet for the position of CEO and get paid obscene amount of money for spewing better crap.
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