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Tiger is about as Similar to SP2 as a Sherman Tank is to a Pineapple |
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 Every time Apple produces something, anything, there are Wintel weenies who always complain about it. Doesn't matter what it is. Doesn't matter if they have even used it. They complain. Every time. I am convinced that if Apple started giving away food to starving children in Sudan, people like Thurrott would whine about it. They would find something wrong, some hidden agenda, something to try and prove that whatever Apple did it was bad.
Well. Paul "brain dead" Thurrott is just the latest one to issue his review and opinion of Tiger. It's good for a laugh if nothing else. But he did say one thing, others have said it as well, that blew my mind. And oddly enough I haven't seen any Mac people challenge it. So, here I am to try and set the record straight on his latest dumbass article.
Oh, wha's that you say? You wanted to know what point he made blew my mind? Ok, here you go. To quote him:
Though it is marketed by Apple as a major release, Tiger is in fact a minor upgrade with few major new features, more akin to what we'd call a service pack in the Windows world.
Basically, if you read the rest of his article, Mr. Thurrott is saying that Tiger = SP2.
Now, I am here to try and explain to Mr. Thurrott why that comment is so astoundingly stupid. Read the following slowly Paul so that whatever you have that passes for a brain can come to terms with it.
It cost $299 to buy XP professional, ok? With me so far? Now, SP2 (which is free) is just a big patch that is suppose to fix things that are wrong with XP. It is NOT an operating system. SP2 fixes the problems that SP1 didn't fix. So, in other words, you bought a $299 OS, then needed 2 MAJOR patches just to get it working. That is why SP1 and SP2 are free, you have already paid for them. Or rather, you thought they were already in XP and then found out later that XP sucked so bad that it needed major updates just to function.
Now let's look at Tiger. Tiger cost $129, which is less than half of the cost of XP by the way. And of course there is this small issue. Tiger is an entire operating system, SP2 is not. I am sorry, did I say that already?
Think about it this way. You buy a Ford for $30,000 and Ford is kind enough not to charge you when they do 2 MAJOR recalls so your new car doesn't kill you. I buy a 2006 Honda for $13,000 to replace my 2005 Honda (which I sell on ebay and thus make some of my money back). Now, which one of us do you think is getting the better deal? Oh, and did I mention that every week you have to take your car to the dealership you bought if from so they can perform maintence on it? Buy hey, they don't charge you for that either! What a deal!
It is for these reasons that I find it amazing that so many Windows users think Tiger is just another upgrade. SP2's main function was to fix problems inherent in XP. Tiger's main function was to bring new and updated features to OS X. One is trying to fix the problems of the past while the other is breaking ground for the future. So, tell me again, how exactly do these compare? |
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April 18 2005, 9:11 AM EDT, by |
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| madscientistuk |
4/18/05, 1:12 PM EDT |
Good post. Points well made. Thurrott as usual has no idea what he is talking about. One of the best things about the internet is that anyone can have a blog and post on it. Unfortunately Thurrott is one of those idiots who thinks he is justified by creating a blog about a load of rubbish. He is a close minded fool.
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| 2guysandaserver |
4/18/05, 1:28 PM EDT |
Can't argue with that kind of logic! Good point!
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| nhmacusr |
4/18/05, 2:16 PM EDT |
It is really wierd how everyone is focusing in on Apple's press releases and ignoring everything else. Ya, if you look at the announcement and go by that then you would get the idea that there isn't much going on. Some cool new features and that's about it.
In reality, all of hte really exciting stuff is under the hood. Whether anaverage user will see this or not is irrelevant. There are enough substantial changes to the UNIX layer itself to warrant a new release.
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| brah |
4/18/05, 3:50 PM EDT |
The major changes in Tiger are all new plumbing, allowing more advanced applications in the future - CoreImage, CoreData, QuickTime 7, etc., etc. (I wonder if QT 7 will be available for Panther). SP2 changed some plumbing, but for the most part reconfigured what was there to work a little (note, little) better, for example the Firewall was there, they just changed it to be on by default and invasive. The only real parallel between SP2 and Tiger is they both introduce a new browser, but while Apple is giving you new features in the Tiger browser that depend on the other new features in Tiger, and giving you the under the hood rendering and javascript engine improvements in Panther, all MSFT did was bring out a new browser version # with a couple of new features because the industry was laughing at them (at a fox was nibbling at their leg).
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| dab2 |
4/18/05, 3:55 PM EDT |
I liked your closing, very concise and to the point.
Point and fact, Tiger includes improved 64-bit support including 64-bit virtual memory, and GCC 4.0 with 64-bit code support. Microsoft did not include any 64-bit support in SP2 but they do plan to sell it to anybody who wants it in Windows XP Professional x64 Edition, if it ever ships.
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| Mick Hamblen |
4/18/05, 4:20 PM EDT |
Please stop feeding the Troll!
Paul Thur(Ole)rott(10)
He only exists due to the fact that sites like this one admits his existance
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| Dave Fels |
4/18/05, 4:54 PM EDT |
You dumb bells! How many "big" features are in the next release? Dashboard? (konfabulator) RSS for Safari? I use Camino or Firefox and have that feature. A new version of quicktime? (which won't work with my current key I paid for) No doubt, I will buy Tiger, but I don't think it's going to be that much different than Panther. Everybody knows the Public Beta of OSX was better than windows
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| brah |
4/18/05, 6:52 PM EDT |
Dave, you just don't get it...
You are talking APPLICATIONS. We are talking OS, as in API level things... The only OS level thing you seem to notice is QT7 (which enables new CODECs in iChat, for example)
Tiger is all about the underlying OS - yes, there are new features in applications being ENABLED by the OS (as in the new Safari and the new Dashboard,) but what has REALLY changed in Tiger is the core API allowing your applications to support system with data browsing, image manipulation, etc....
The new applications are the gravy to get those less in the know to buy it.
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| brah |
4/18/05, 6:56 PM EDT |
sorry about the double post....
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| rhoorn |
4/18/05, 7:04 PM EDT |
brah, You just don't get it...
When on the internet you click once not a double click.
just kidding, Great rebuttal. I heartily agree with you.
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| Clue Giver |
4/18/05, 7:42 PM EDT |
Tiger Features
http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/over200.html
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| brah |
4/18/05, 8:44 PM EDT |
I clicked once - the page stayed there for like 5 minutes. So I clicked stop and submit again...
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| The Swede |
4/18/05, 10:51 PM EDT |
You make a good point. It's well understood in my environment (higher ed) that XP SP2 just fixed things that should have been fixed long ago. We've also taking to chuckling under our collecctive breaths at the head of the Windows team who tells us about the great features that 'will be' in Longhorn when it comes out 'next year'. After two years of that and a constantly-shrinking list of new features for the release, he went silent. I took some pleasure in wearing my 'Introducing Longhorn' t-shirt from WWDC 2004 to a Windows meeting on my return ;-) Tiger truly is substantially different under the hood (having been working with betas of it since last year), as well as adding a bunch of cool new features. I don't know who the blowhard is who spurred your original posting, but he's clearly a bit uninformed. Perhaps the masses here could all pitch in 5 bucks and buy the poor deluded soul a Mac mini, so that he might know better about which he likes to pontificate. (P.S. Your 'Powered by Mac OS X' badge below is an oooold version - a much prettier one is available these days, such as at http://serverlogistics.com/downloads-jag.php
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| DJLC |
4/18/05, 11:13 PM EDT |
Haha... what a dumbass! If Tiger were like SP2 - it would be more like 10.3.10. Although, I don't really see why you continue to acknowledge this flaming [edited]naughty word[/edited] tard, Toupy. Just throw a link at the end of other articles telling us there is more dumbassity. Also, The Swede: There is a prettier graphic - for Mac OS X server. That is the one from client's personal web sharing. Although, I think it is referring now to the fact that this was built entirely on Mac OS X.
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| Dave Fels |
4/19/05, 9:26 AM EDT |
This is the point I'm trying to make ...
http://notepad.munger.ca/2005/1904.macosxtiger.html
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| jb |
4/19/05, 9:32 AM EDT |
Thurrott and Rob Enderle are both probably paid micro$oft "consultants." More than likely, they are both being compensated for their "journalistic" efforts by M$.
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| Max Hoyle |
4/19/05, 7:38 PM EDT |
Tiger isn't $129, it's free with every new Mac ;)
Apple makes money on hardware.
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| dab2 |
4/19/05, 9:11 PM EDT |
Dave,
Interesting read. You and the article have a point but the article just blows over the important parts of Tiger by saying [Apple] 'uses "techy" language to describe the core system architecture' as if these features are not of enormous importance to “informed users�.
I am an informed user and I find the information Apple is supplying me to be very adequate to assist me in my decision. I plan to purchase OS X 10.4.
On the other hand, your article does not address the excellent point of jstoup’s article, which is that Tiger is in fact a major upgrade and not just a service pack. Brah has it right, the major feature are the changes to the API’s not the eye-candy applications.
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| nhmacusr |
4/20/05, 8:11 AM EDT |
Unfortunately, this is where Apple falls down more often than not. They are too focused on the everyday user instead of having a nice balance. We really haven't heard anymore about the underlying changes since WWDC 2004. I'm not saying the marketing that Apple has done so far is not needed, it is, it just needs to be more balanced. The information is there, you just have to dig a little to find it. You shouldn't have to dig.
Apple should be shouting about these changes just as much as the new features. There are many people out there (buisiness and science communities) that are probably holding back because they really don't know what is coming. The one's who already know are not the ones Apple should be marketing to. There are many people out there pushing the Mac that know what an uphill battle it is because they don't get enough support from Apple on topics like security. The IT Pro page is a good start, but they need to talk about it more.
Max Hoyle, they make money on software as well. The profit margin on software is anywhere from 80-85% on average. Try getting those numbers on hardware. I'm not saying that Apple isn't in the business to sell hardware, they are, it's just that Apple's real business is making money and if the hardware and can sell software and vice versa, then you have a pretty good thing going on. That is exactly what Apple does. They offer the complete solution, so they can offer more on either end of the deal.
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| Johnnie boy |
4/20/05, 4:27 PM EDT |
i've been running tiger..love spotlight, widgets are cool, but a lot of my third party apps are SOL...iscroll2, easyWMA, VLC (runs but crashes)...even crashed mail, finder, and the system update already.
not as stable as panther but much faster, better stuff. spotlight is amazing, the new mail is great, and safari RSS is hotness. its going to be a very good platform.
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| Jonahan |
4/21/05, 11:02 AM EDT |
Tiger is a huge upgrade! Windows XP is 3.5 years old and Microsoft is quickly ripping the guts out of longhorn just to have something "new" to sell. Apple does a great job making updates that you don't necessarily need, but are faster, stronger, have tons more features, and perhaps most importantly, make you feel that you're really getting you money's worth.
Thurrot is a ... well I'm not sure there's really a word to describe him. Maybe we should use the word "thurrot" as someone who is an "idiotic blowhard who gets paid to spin facts". "Dude, yer such a thurrot."
The Swede, thanks for pointing out about out "powered by OS X" logo. Actually we're on some flavor of Linux so we should probably switch to a "Made on a Mac" graphic :)
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| dab2 |
4/21/05, 2:59 PM EDT |
By the way, I don't know what you have against pineapples, but my newly developed Battle Pineapple can kick the crap out of a Sherman Tank any day of the week. ;-)
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| noob4life |
4/25/05, 2:04 PM EDT |
There can be only one word for sheep like thurrot, and that is BAAAAAAHH!
OS X is clearly years ahead of whatever pile of poop M$ is currently pushing on the public, and I can make one very unnecessary, lengthy comparison to prove this:
(insert novel here)
Mother's PC: eMachines w/ AMD Athlon XP (1.4ghz) and 128 MB RAM running Windows XP Home, manufactured in late 2001, ran extremely slow since its purchase and died horribly after rebooting itself, turning itself off, and booting imcompletely.
I think overall strain from running XP for three years put the bullet through the hood, but it could be just some [doodoo]ty eMonstrosities hardware problem. Note to self: Never employ ten-year old Vietnamese children to build computers.
Cost: $700 at some mega-super corporate electronics joint.
My Mac: Blueberry G3 iMac 400 mhz w/256 MB RAM that I got for free due to my senile uncle buying it at a pawnshop for no real reason. He tried to make my dad pay $300 for it when it wouldn't boot, and his response was "Come get this piece of [doodoo]." Then the fool left it at my dad's house for over 2 months, and wouldn't come pick it up, so my mom told me she was tossing it out and told me to "haul it off." It was made in 1999, and I didn't think I could save it considering it had OS 9 on it, which I knew jack-[doodoo] about in the first place, and it still wouldn't power-up. So I scored a bootleg of Panther from a guy at my school, held down the "c" key, and w00000t! It worked! This thing hasn't crashed but once, and that was from a severely scratched CD that only made iTunes lock up. I use this thing every day and it's damn quick too, thanks mom :> Cost: $0.
(end novel)
There we have it, OS X running better on a six year old computer than XP not running on a more recently-made PeeCee-of-crap that had *chuckle* a designed for Microsoft Windows XP case badge. Mr. Thurrot, you have just been pwned so please hand over your wallet and report directly to Chuck E. Cheese to be kicked in the shins by dozens of angry children until closing time.
Speaking of pineapples and Chuck E. Cheese: Pineapples are great on pizza, whereas I've found that manned Sherman tanks are a bit crunchy at the very least. I'm a thurrot.... :(
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